New docs on Pearl Harbor attack emerge

[Ze-Jamz]

Me too..today was the today gentleman. Whatever the reasons and for whatever cost we can all agree it was a "game changer"

Right.... Can we carry on with the russcies debate.

Sooo.. T-50 radar? Different league? I think so, detecting heat signatures from the engines means your stealth fighter in no longer stealthy.

Do you think the raptor will now or in the foreseeable future upgrade it's radar system to compensate?

We don't have to worry here in the UK anyway. We have the Eurofighter Typhoon! Yay! Lmao

[JG53Frankyboy]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Me too..today was the today gentleman. Whatever the reasons and for whatever cost we can all agree it was a "game changer"

Right.... Can we carry on with the russcies debate.

the mankind would be dead after a few hours, nukes exploding everywhere....

anyway, strange this cold war thinking , still after 20years.

[badfinger]

And now, back to FDR and some message about the Japanese not liking us.

The US had some intelligence that was passed on to military bases. There was no specific threat mentioned, and the warning was partially based on the observation that the Japanese embassy in Wash DC was burning documents. That is why the planes at Pearl Harbor were lined up wingtip to wingtip, rather than dispersed, so that the guards could protect them from saboteurs. This was seen as the most likely threat. The US had no knowledge that the Japanese fleet was on the way. Given the communications of the day, its hard to believe FDR had anymore knowledge than anyone else on the subject.

Conspiracy junkies just love to take one item, and inflate it into something completely idiotic.

binky9

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by binky9

And now, back to FDR and some message about the Japanese not liking us.

The US had some intelligence that was passed on to military bases. There was no specific threat mentioned, and the warning was partially based on the observation that the Japanese embassy in Wash DC was burning documents. That is why the planes at Pearl Harbor were lined up wingtip to wingtip, rather than dispersed, so that the guards could protect them from saboteurs. This was seen as the most likely threat. The US had no knowledge that the Japanese fleet was on the way. Given the communications of the day, its hard to believe FDR had anymore knowledge than anyone else on the subject.

Conspiracy junkies just love to take one item, and inflate it into something completely idiotic.

binky9

Binky, I think you're focussing too much on the specific date events than on the whole scenario.

The declarations of surprise and astonishment by the CinC at Pearl Harbour are the perfect example that there was not even the faintest idea among them, and the sabotage thing was just a propaganda aspect. Still, a plethora of intelligence wasn't really enough to give an alert state?
I believe that Washington observed carefully and was well aware of what was happening, but they were just deliberately waiting to be attacked in order to have a valid reason that would shock the public opinion.

...and I hate to say this, but it's pretty much like what happened for 9/11..

[ElAurens]

Complete and utter nonsense.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Complete and utter nonsense.

And why would that be?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

And why would that be?

Well, he read: 9-11 was a gov. conspiracy.

You wrote: Before 9-11 there were terror warnings

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Binky, I think you're focussing too much on the specific date events than on the whole scenario.

The declarations of surprise and astonishment by the CinC at Pearl Harbour are the perfect example that there was not even the faintest idea among them, and the sabotage thing was just a propaganda aspect. Still, a plethora of intelligence wasn't really enough to give an alert state?
I believe that Washington observed carefully and was well aware of what was happening, but they were just deliberately waiting to be attacked in order to have a valid reason that would shock the public opinion.

...and I hate to say this, but it's pretty much like what happened for 9/11..

[swiss]

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

the mankind would be dead after a few hours, nukes exploding everywhere....

anyway, strange this cold war thinking , still after 20years.

Mankind is a pest, I doubt it wouldn't survive a nuclear holocaust.