'Red Tails' New WW2 movie coming out ;)

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by proton45

I always thought is was the Gregory Peck movie "Twelve O'Clock High"...I heard it was the sequence where they where getting attacked by Messerschmidts, and the crew men of the humble B17 had to defend themselves. Its suppose to synch up with the scene of them defending the Millennium Falcon from Tie fighters...

Perhaps thats true as well, but I was talking specifically about the death star sequence.

[MD_Titus]

Inferior machines stern? Woah, stop the presses, nerf the luftwaffe! For years we've had the mechanical superiority/numerical inferiority of the luftwaffe rammed down our throats and now you say it is a lie!

Mind.

Blown.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Considering the conditions in which they fought, with inferior machines, lower numbers and difficult logistics, saying that the Allies had better pilots is ludicrous to say the least.

That is a pretty big pantload. Difficult Logistics? The US had to move all their aircraft and supplies across the Atlantic friggin Ocean. German aircraft could be pushed from the factory to the runway. That the Germans were flying inferior machines is also pretty silly.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

make less errors by spotting landmarks and confusing them with something else.

This is also absurd. It's true that pilots over the ocean don't have any landmarks to confuse them. They also don't have any landmarks to save them. Given the choice, I'll take my chances with "confusing" landmarks. IFR is a lot easier when there are roads to follow.

[bongodriver]

if tou can see the surface you wouldnt fly IFR

Originally Posted by bongodriver

if tou can see the surface you wouldnt fly IFR

I Follow Roads.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

Inferior machines stern? Woah, stop the presses, nerf the luftwaffe! For years we've had the mechanical superiority/numerical inferiority of the luftwaffe rammed down our throats and now you say it is a lie!

Mind.

Blown.

When I say "inferior machines" I do not merely refer to performance or quality of the planes, but the fact that the flight lines suffered constantly of lack of spares, oils, fuel and ammunition.

Quality-wise there surely was a gap between American and German planes, the main differences being in the availability of materials for industrial production (the Mustang itself was made of at least 40 different kinds of alloys), but technology-wise stuff like the kommandgerat and the jet fighters put the Luftwaffe years ahead.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

That is a pretty big pantload. Difficult Logistics? The US had to move all their aircraft and supplies across the Atlantic friggin Ocean. German aircraft could be pushed from the factory to the runway. That the Germans were flying inferior machines is also pretty silly.

erm, were the Allied harbours, bases and factories continuously hammered throughout the war? No. Did they have limited access to resources like the Germans? No. Did they keep on using the same crews and pilots like the Germans? No. And machines weren't inferior, but suffered from limited logistics, low engines TBOs and general lack of spare parts.

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

This is also absurd. It's true that pilots over the ocean don't have any landmarks to confuse them. They also don't have any landmarks to save them. Given the choice, I'll take my chances with "confusing" landmarks. IFR is a lot easier when there are roads to follow.

erm, IFR doesn't rely on landmarks. IFR is actually safer than VFR in terms of long navigation. I appreciate you don't have a VFR or IFR license, that's why you probably don't understand this, but Bongo can confirm this himself I suppose.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

I Follow Roads.

I can't believe I did that.....

David is using a classic aviation annecdote.....

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

erm, were the Allied harbours, bases and factories continuously hammered throughout the war? No.

That would not have been a problem if the Germans had superior pilots.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Did they have limited access to resources like the Germans? No.

From 1942 to 1944 the Germans had access to all the resources in Europe

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Did they keep on using the same crews and pilots like the Germans? No.

Stupid strategic planning is no excuse.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

And machines weren't inferior, but suffered from limited logistics, low engines TBOs and general lack of spare parts.

boo...hoo...

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

erm, IFR doesn't rely on landmarks. IFR is actually safer than VFR in terms of long navigation. I appreciate you don't have a VFR or IFR license, that's why you probably don't understand this, but Bongo can confirm this himself I suppose.

I Follow Roads. There are no roads at sea, sparky. The idea that no landmards is better than landmarks is completely absurd.