Fulqrum Publishing Home   |   Register   |   Today Posts   |   Members   |   UserCP   |   Calendar   |   Search   |   FAQ

Go Back   Official Fulqrum Publishing forum > Fulqrum Publishing > IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover

IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-28-2011, 10:45 AM
Sternjaeger II Sternjaeger II is offline
Approved Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,903
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer View Post
Well said, but you won't convince the goofs on this forum. More Luftwaffe Aces were lost to western allies than the east, in fact the Luftwaffe suffered more losses in total to the west. In addition, the Luftwaffe fought over the own territory for nearly the whole western conflict. Once the Luftwaffe had to face superior aircraft and better pilots of the west, they were exposed .
I'm sorry man, but that sounds a bit biased. You're not keeping into account the sheer imbalance in numbers: the USAAF only could put up 10 to 50 times more planes than the Luftwaffe. Despite these tremendous numbers, there still are circa 100 German pilots with at least 100 kills in their combat career. Considering the conditions in which they fought, with inferior machines, lower numbers and difficult logistics, saying that the Allies had better pilots is ludicrous to say the least.

Quote:
The best pilots of the war were in the pacific. Fighting in much more difficult weather conditions over far larger distances, most of it being water( any one who has actually piloted a small craft over nothing but water can imagine the difficulty faced by pilots who were engaged in combat,disoreinted, low on fuel maybe wounded and needed to find your aircraft carrier with the navigational equipment used in the 1940's) . Landing and taking off of a carrier in good weather during daylight hours takes more skill than anything the Luftwaffe ever faced. Than try it in poor weather at night with little or no fuel as was the case for the USN in a number of engagements. This is to say nothing of the navigational skill needed a bit more challenging than flying barely past the border of your own country. Where if you bailed out there was a good chance you would rejoin your own unit by morning. In the Pacific , if you left your aircraft you more than likely were not seen from again.
I would say that the worst conditions were in the Pacific, but the best pilots is based on what assumptions? Pacific pilots didn't have to face enormous flak barrages, being bounced by skilled wolfpacks etc.. sure, the conditions were harsher and the odds of surviving smaller if shot down over the sea, but this doesn't make them better pilots. As per navigation skills, they all relied on the same training and methods, if anything it's easier to navigate at sea because you can rely on good instruments or star navigation, and make less errors by spotting landmarks and confusing them with something else.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-28-2011, 01:13 PM
MD_Titus MD_Titus is offline
Approved Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 493
Default

Inferior machines stern? Woah, stop the presses, nerf the luftwaffe! For years we've had the mechanical superiority/numerical inferiority of the luftwaffe rammed down our throats and now you say it is a lie!

Mind.

Blown.
__________________
specs -
OS - Win7 64 bit
CPU - Intel Core2duo x6800 OC@3.2ghz
MOBO - MB-EVGA122CKNF68BR
RAM - ddr2 6gb @800mhz
GPU - nVidia geforce GTX 280 1gb
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-28-2011, 03:02 PM
Sternjaeger II Sternjaeger II is offline
Approved Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,903
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MD_Titus View Post
Inferior machines stern? Woah, stop the presses, nerf the luftwaffe! For years we've had the mechanical superiority/numerical inferiority of the luftwaffe rammed down our throats and now you say it is a lie!

Mind.

Blown.
When I say "inferior machines" I do not merely refer to performance or quality of the planes, but the fact that the flight lines suffered constantly of lack of spares, oils, fuel and ammunition.

Quality-wise there surely was a gap between American and German planes, the main differences being in the availability of materials for industrial production (the Mustang itself was made of at least 40 different kinds of alloys), but technology-wise stuff like the kommandgerat and the jet fighters put the Luftwaffe years ahead.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-28-2011, 04:58 PM
swiss swiss is offline
Approved Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Zürich, Swiss Confederation
Posts: 2,266
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II View Post
When I say "inferior machines" I do not merely refer to performance or quality of the planes, but the fact that the flight lines suffered constantly of lack of spares, oils, fuel and ammunition.

Quality-wise there surely was a gap between American and German planes, the main differences being in the availability of materials for industrial production (the Mustang itself was made of at least 40 different kinds of alloys), but technology-wise stuff like the kommandgerat and the jet fighters put the Luftwaffe years ahead.
This discussion is pointless, those guys believe in Captain America being a historical fact.


Quote:
From 1942 to 1944 the Germans had access to all the resources in Europe
That's an alternate history string or maybe you're just an idiot.
I wonder why my grandmother had(or was supposed) to donate all brass, copper and other rare metals her household could spare to the government.


edit:
Quote:
They never had to worry about landing in enemy territory or running out of fuel.
Really? What were they doing in Africa? Fighting the Axis of evil? What relevance had Romania?
You're second...

Last edited by swiss; 10-28-2011 at 05:08 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-28-2011, 05:08 PM
IamNotDavid
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swiss View Post
That's an alternate history string or maybe you're just an idiot.
Really? I'm pretty sure the Germans controlled all of Europe. In what alternative universe was that not the case?

Quote:
Originally Posted by swiss View Post
I wonder why my grandmother had(or was supposed) to donate all brass, copper and other rare metals her household could spare to the government.
Probably for the same reason that Americans were doing the exact same thing.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-28-2011, 05:14 PM
swiss swiss is offline
Approved Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Zürich, Swiss Confederation
Posts: 2,266
Default

My brain hurts, I'm out.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-28-2011, 05:36 PM
IamNotDavid
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swiss View Post
My brain hurts, I'm out.
It can't possibly hurt very much.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-28-2011, 05:39 PM
IamNotDavid
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swiss View Post
Really? What were they doing in Africa? Fighting the Axis of evil? What relevance had Romania?
You're second...
North Africa was a minor sideshow for the Luftwaffe.

And I have no idea what Romania has to do with this. I didn't bring it up.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-28-2011, 05:48 PM
swiss swiss is offline
Approved Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Zürich, Swiss Confederation
Posts: 2,266
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IamNotDavid View Post

And I have no idea what Romania has to do with this.

I am not suprised at all. lol
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-28-2011, 05:57 PM
IamNotDavid
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by swiss View Post
I am not suprised at all. lol
Nor am I surprised that you won't even attempt to explain whatever idiotic connection you apparently dreamed up.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 06:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2007 Fulqrum Publishing. All rights reserved.