The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Sternjäger let them dream on about the BoB as their Big Victory, ok they even won the war (well with a "tiny lil bit" of US help) but afterwards they sucked permanently since 1945, i mean look at them their Cities are Crime infested shitholes with looting hordes, their economy is not worth to mention and of course their Football National team, which also sucks since 1966.

deleted, not worth the bother on such a type of person.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

how cute. you ....

Yes i love you too.

[Sternjaeger II]

guys, there is no need to get aggressive on each other over a matter that was resolved 65 years ago.

Truth is that ignorants will be ignorants, living in England has taught me that Britons are probably one of the most stubborn populations on this planet (if not the Solar System), which is both a good and a bad thing.

Some Britons can't be objective: characters like Dowding, Harris and above all Montgomery (a pompous imbecile, nothing more nothing less) embody a military ineptitude that, again hadn't the Americans joined, would have been fatal to them. They even took the mick on their allies, but then again some justify it by saying it's the awkward British way of showing gratitude, go figure..

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

guys, there is no need to get aggressive on each other over a matter that was resolved 65 years ago.

Truth is that ignorants will be ignorants, living in England has taught me that Britons are probably one of the most stubborn populations on this planet (if not the Solar System), which is both a good and a bad thing.

Some Britons can't be objective: characters like Dowding, Harris and above all Montgomery (a pompous imbecile, nothing more nothing less) embody a military ineptitude that, again hadn't the Americans joined, would have been fatal to them. They even took the mick on their allies, but then again some justify it by saying it's the awkward British way of showing gratitude, go figure..

Montogomery I'll let you have, the rest of your statement is pure BS and you have learned nothing from us.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Montogomery I'll let you have, the rest of your statement is pure BS and you have learned nothing from us.

Dowding almost cost you the Battle of Britain, Harris wasted aircrews and hundreds of thousands of civilian lives with his ridiculous bombing campaign, which is regarded as a war crime and not essential to the war in the ETO.

I have learned a lot from you, I still regard your country as one of the best in the world, but people here can go to both extremes in terms of behaviour.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Woah there Bongo mate, you took my statement entirely out of context.

There's no-one more emphatic than I in affirming that we bloody won the Battle no matter what any of the latter day excuse mongers drone on about.

I wasn't making any excuses for anyone, but it is my opinion that but for the Channel and the existence of the Royal Navy, Germany's land and airforces combined would've stuffed us. Until such time as the empire, the dominions and the U.S. came to our aid.

But I repeat, we did win and won hands down.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Woah there Bongo mate, you took my statement entirely out of context.

There's no-one more emphatic than I in affirming that we bloody won the Battle no matter what any of the latter day excuse mongers drone on about.

I wasn't making any excuses for anyone, but it is my opinion that but for the Channel and the existence of the Royal Navy, Germany's land and airforces combined would've stuffed us. Until such time as the empire, the dominions and the U.S. came to our aid.

But I repeat, we did win and won hands down.

it's a delusional idea man, it's propaganda for little people, history tells otherwise.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

it's a delusional idea man, it's propaganda for little people, history tells otherwise.

Here we go again eh Stern?

History does not tell otherwise, and propaganda works both ways.

1) Hitler did not wish for war with Britain

2) He thought he could bring us to the negotiating table by threat of or actual invasion and establishment of air superioity.

3) Goering said the RAF would last 'two weeks'.

Hitler got what he didn't want, i.e. war with Britain

He didn't force us to the negotiating table or succeed in invading or establishing air superiority.

RAF fighter command had more pilots and aircraft at the end of the Battle than the start, which is more than can be said for the Luftwaffe.

Hitler for once, didn't get what he wanted, which was a 'Free hand in Europe', and suffered the first real setback he'd encountered since coming to power.

I fail to see which part of 'winning' you don't understand.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

guys, there is no need to get aggressive on each other over a matter that was resolved 65 years ago.

immediately followed by:

living in England has taught me that Britons are probably one of the most stubborn populations on this planet (if not the Solar System)
...
Some Britons can't be objective: characters like Dowding, Harris and above all Montgomery (a pompous imbecile, nothing more nothing less) embody a military ineptitude that, again hadn't the Americans joined, would have been fatal to them.

Wow, Pot Kettle.

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

You Sir are an asshole! Not more and not less!!

Classy.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

from Wikipedia

so it must be true

The total cost of these reparations was assessed at 132 billion Marks (then $31.4 billion, £6.6 billion) in 1921 which is roughly equivalent to US $442 billion and UK £217 billion in 2011, a sum that many economists at the time, notably John Maynard Keynes, deemed to be excessive and counterproductive and would have taken Germany until 1988 to pay.

Britain has only recently stopped paying for the wars. If the treaty was unfair, Germany should have concentrated on renegotiating it. Going to war again was hardly the solution was it.

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

it is my opinion that but for the Channel and the existence of the Royal Navy, Germany's land and airforces combined would've stuffed us.

As above, that's a pointless comparison. Were it not for the channel, world history would be completely different.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Britain has only recently stopped paying for the wars.

In October 2010 Germany paid the last rate of reparation for WWI - after 92 years.

If the treaty was unfair, Germany should have concentrated on renegotiating it. Going to war again was hardly the solution was it.

LOL. That like negotiating with your own kidnapper.
Hint: As he's in power he doesn't give a sh1t.

The Romans took over Europe, they won - they were not the goodies.
The Brits took over half the world - they were not the goodies.
The Crusaders went on a killing spree under the name of god - they were not the goodies.

They were not? Who says that? You?
What's right or wrong lies in the eye of the beholder, end of story.
I for one dont agree with your judgment.
-We learned a lot from the Romans-> good thing
-Brits: same thing, most of their colonies were better of while being part of the empire.
-Crusader: Those guys conquered a good part of the Roman empire 500 years before that. Europe being part of the caliphate would have been the better option, right?

There is no such way to defend the holocaust.

Correct - only you can't use to justify the bombing of civilians as no one knew about it at the time.