The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Considered by whom? the Germans.......

Glorious heritage.......like what was so glorious about it we should have bowed down before the almighty Germans, delusions of grandeur? almost believing they are a master race or something.....oh wait...

No, by British and German historians alike. It's not stuff I'm making up, it's all in boring history books man.

Let's not take this to a silly level: the German empire had a long, glorious heritage, and the German pride was a transversal feeling that put together the peasant with the noble. The humiliation and the impossible economic demands of Versailles were a provocative humiliation.

from Wikipedia

Of the many provisions in the treaty, one of the most important and controversial required Germany to accept responsibility for causing the war (along with Austria and Hungary, according to the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye and the Treaty of Trianon) and, under the terms of articles 231–248 (later known as the War Guilt clauses), to disarm, make substantial territorial concessions and pay heavy reparations to certain countries that had formed the Entente powers. The total cost of these reparations was assessed at 132 billion Marks (then $31.4 billion, £6.6 billion) in 1921 which is roughly equivalent to US $442 billion and UK £217 billion in 2011, a sum that many economists at the time, notably John Maynard Keynes, deemed to be excessive and counterproductive and would have taken Germany until 1988 to pay.[2][3] The final payments ended up being made on October 4, 2010,[4] the 20th anniversary of German reunification, and some 92 years after the end of the war for which they were exacted.[5] The Treaty was undermined by subsequent events starting as early as 1932 and was widely flouted by the mid-1930s.[6]

[csThor]

Gosh! This thread has gone down the drain faster than even I had imagined. Aparently some people still fight WW2 or feel the need to ... *shakes head*

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

No, by British and German historians alike. It's not stuff I'm making up, it's all in boring history books man.

Let's not take this to a silly level: the German empire had a long, glorious heritage, and the German pride was a transversal feeling that put together the peasant with the noble. The humiliation and the impossible economic demands of Versailles were a provocative humiliation.

from Wikipedia

Of the many provisions in the treaty, one of the most important and controversial required Germany to accept responsibility for causing the war (along with Austria and Hungary, according to the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye and the Treaty of Trianon) and, under the terms of articles 231–248 (later known as the War Guilt clauses), to disarm, make substantial territorial concessions and pay heavy reparations to certain countries that had formed the Entente powers. The total cost of these reparations was assessed at 132 billion Marks (then $31.4 billion, £6.6 billion) in 1921 which is roughly equivalent to US $442 billion and UK £217 billion in 2011, a sum that many economists at the time, notably John Maynard Keynes, deemed to be excessive and counterproductive and would have taken Germany until 1988 to pay.[2][3] The final payments ended up being made on October 4, 2010,[4] the 20th anniversary of German reunification, and some 92 years after the end of the war for which they were exacted.[5] The Treaty was undermined by subsequent events starting as early as 1932 and was widely flouted by the mid-1930s.[6]

Oh well in that case I'm awfully sorry, god forbid that a little patience might have seen a political and peacefull coclusion to this, from this moment on I shal endeavour to murder any Pole, Jew, Human of questionable genetics/ethicity to make amends for the serious wrongdoing we caused the Germans.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Oh well in that case I'm awfully sorry, god forbid that a little patience might have seen a political and peacefull coclusion to this, from this moment on I shal endeavour to murder any Pole, Jew, Human of questionable genetics/ethicity to make amends for the serious wrongdoing we caused the Germans.

All of which had no reason for the UK to enter the war.

Hindsight != political reality in 1939.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

All of which had no reason for the UK to enter the war.

Hindsight != political reality in 1939.

Youre joking right....the biggest shame I feel is that Britain didn't decare war after the invasion of Poland....those poor people deserved better from the rest of the world.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Youre joking right....the biggest shame I feel is that Britain didn't decare war after the invasion of Poland....those poor people deserved better from the rest of the world.

declare war with what exactly? 5 Hurricanes and 10 Fairey Battles?

Great Britain had no interest in another war, you actually had a lot of the Nazis coming around to make friends and create a new alliance (and some of you were also falling for it..). Fortunately you didn't, but things could have taken a really awkward direction..

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Youre joking right....the biggest shame I feel is that Britain didn't decare war after the invasion of Poland....those poor people deserved better from the rest of the world.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

declare war with what exactly? 5 Hurricanes and 10 Fairey Battles?

Great Britain had no interest in another war, you actually had a lot of the Nazis coming around to make friends and create a new alliance (and some of you were also falling for it..). Fortunately you didn't, but things could have taken a really awkward direction..

Britain declared war on September 3rd 1939, so what the hell are you talking about?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Britain declared war on September 3rd 1939, so what the hell are you talking about?

Yes fair enough, I meant our half hearted attempt at helping, the declaration was there of course.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

declare war with what exactly? 5 Hurricanes and 10 Fairey Battles?

Great Britain had no interest in another war, you actually had a lot of the Nazis coming around to make friends and create a new alliance (and some of you were also falling for it..). Fortunately you didn't, but things could have taken a really awkward direction..

Se we were an underdog!.....we still are, has the German phyce no concept of fighting back against a bigger aggressor? the Brits have nothing to feel ashamed of in that respect.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Se we were an underdog!.....we still are, has the German phyce no concept of fighting back against a bigger aggressor? the Brits have nothing to feel ashamed of in that respect.

no, that's true, you only have to feel ashamed for the bomber offensive perpetrated by Harris. That's your only flaw in an otherwise spotless conduct.

Uh and Market-Garden.