OT: new World of Planes screenshots

[Robotic Pope]

urmmm winny??? I think its pretty clear that you can't see that guys hands. But I agree with what you wrote. This could be true about the spitfire and other lighter fighters

but I was originally talking about the P-38. I watched an episode of Showdown-Air combat about Richard Bong and the P-38 driver every time he was shown flying had both hands on the yoke.

[flynlion]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

urmmm winny??? I think its pretty clear that you can't see that guys hands. But I agree with what you wrote. This could be true about the spitfire and other lighter fighters

but I was originally talking about the P-38. I watched an episode of Showdown-Air combat about Richard Bong and the P-38 driver every time he was shown flying had both hands on the yoke.

I'm not really sure why the P-38 had a yoke, I personally get much better leverage with a stick. Most larger long distance type planes have a yoke because it's easier to read a map or copy an ATC clearance without a stick coming up between your legs (that sounds wierd). It's easier to fly one handed with a stick, and I suspect that many people who put 2 hands on a yoke wouldn't need to if they flew stick. And don't forget, that TV show you saw about the great Richard Bong was just that, a TV show. I also notice that you used the word "driver", and not "pilot". Drivers use 2 hands, pilots fly with one

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by flynlion

I'm not really sure why the P-38 had a yoke, I personally get much better leverage with a stick. Most larger long distance type planes have a yoke because it's easier to read a map or copy an ATC clearance without a stick coming up between your legs (that sounds wierd). It's easier to fly one handed with a stick, and I suspect that many people who put 2 hands on a yoke wouldn't need to if they flew stick. And don't forget, that TV show you saw about the great Richard Bong was just that, a TV show. I also notice that you used the word "driver", and not "pilot". Drivers use 2 hands, pilots fly with one

Driver is what the host of that show Paul "Max" Moga says. I think he even says he 'drives' an F-22.

[winny]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

urmmm winny??? I think its pretty clear that you can't see that guys hands. But I agree with what you wrote. This could be true about the spitfire and other lighter fighters

but I was originally talking about the P-38. I watched an episode of Showdown-Air combat about Richard Bong and the P-38 driver every time he was shown flying had both hands on the yoke.

You can tell that his right arm is forwards and his left isn't from his shoulders. He also waves at one point, and his arm comes from the side not in front.

P-38 was a big Aircraft, maybe heavier..?

Also, the reason British Aircraft had a spade grip was so that they could use 2 hands, so it was obviously thought that 2 hands may be needed at times.

I still don't think you'd sacrifice a such an important control as the throttle unless you had to. To be not on the throttle in combat would be dangerous, getting from stick to throtle under high G can't be easy and, there's a delay.

Also if you're using 2 hands because it's heavy then when you let go, to go to the throttle, you're gonna invoulantarliy lose control, like I already said, it makes no tactical, or physical sense to believe that, as you said, "warbird pilots mostly flew hands on stick, especialy in combat."

[flynlion]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

Driver is what the host of that show Paul "Max" Moga says. I think he even says he 'drives' an F-22.

Ha! Yeah, you're right, I think I did see that show. Gotta love Max. Air force fighter guys do say driver a lot for some reason, you can always tell when you share a cockpit with one

[flynlion]

I should also point out that the main reason for keeping your hand on the throttle is not so much to make rapid throttle changes during combat, but to prevent it from "creeping back" under all the high G and vibration. In the real world combat flying is mostly done at full power. If you need to slow down it's usually better to pull a bit more G and trade speed for altitude or a tighter turn than to reduce throttle. This is one area wher BoP is less realistic than I would like, but it's still a great game

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by winny

You can tell that his right arm is forwards and his left isn't from his shoulders. He also waves at one point, and his arm comes from the side not in front.

P-38 was a big Aircraft, maybe heavier..?

Also, the reason British Aircraft had a spade grip was so that they could use 2 hands, so it was obviously thought that 2 hands may be needed at times.

I still don't think you'd sacrifice a such an important control as the throttle unless you had to. To be not on the throttle in combat would be dangerous, getting from stick to throtle under high G can't be easy and, there's a delay.

Also if you're using 2 hands because it's heavy then when you let go, to go to the throttle, you're gonna invoulantarliy lose control, like I already said, it makes no tactical, or physical sense to believe that, as you said, "warbird pilots mostly flew hands on stick, especialy in combat."

Just realised that the Paths of hate trailer perfectly shows how I imagine a dogfight inside the cockpit. Watch how the pilots use both hands on the stick, the spitfire guy swiching hands to look over his right shoulder. I'm assuming the creator of this film did his research of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZn65LA2w90

[flynlion]

Great video Pope thanks for sharing, but if realism is what you're after why not check out some of Gilly's Red Bull clips or some other actual in cockpit footage? It's still the same sky as 1940 and not every dogfight happened at Mach buffet.

[MACADEMIC]

Okay guys, stop beating a dead horse

Here's some fresh, unexpected news, and on topic.
Looks like the Korean theatre is included in World of Planes.

Some new screenshots were released on the World of Planes website today.

MAC

[winny]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

I'm assuming the creator of this film did his research of course.

Judging by the trailer I'd say realism wasn't high on his list of priorities..

@MAC, Nice.