Cliffs of Dover Steam Download Upate

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

You seem to have me confused with someone that cares deeply about your claim that the fps is improved..

Know now that I am not that person!

As I told you before, if you think your seeing an improvement in your fps, hey good for you! I hope you are seeing an improvement!

And again I'm sorry if my line of reasoning upsets you, that being that I find it odd that such a small patch would have the big effect your claiming to see. I also find it odd that the patch did not change the reported version number of the game (as some have said, I didn't take note of the version prior to the patch so I'm taking their word on that). If true that alone would suggest this is more of a STEAM house keeping update than a CoD patch. There, that is my extended opinion. Your welcome to digest it or toss it, either way is fine by me.

Isn't only me. Search the topics. I'm not "claiming", I'm TESTING. Some saw gains, I tested myself and saw gains regards performance too. Really simple to do... I don't do ' "brainstorm" of what this uptade is, just saw the results.

But you are just trolling around. Not even tested if performance changed or not. Congrats! People like you move the world!

Just a note, genious: why in hell do you think that "STEAM house keeping update" can't improve performance? Think a minute after saying a lot of nonsense to support your "point"... People saw gains some time ago with Steam Cloud disabled in CloD... Research a little.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Isn't only me. Search the topics. I'm not "claiming", I'm TESTING. Some saw gains, I tested myself and saw gains regards performance too. Really simple to do... I don't do ' "brainstorm" of what this uptade is, just saw the results.

But you are just trolling around. Not even tested if performance changed or not. Congrats! People like you move the world!

Just a note, genious: why in hell do you think that "STEAM house keeping update" can't improve performance? Think a minute after saying a lot of nonsense to support your "point"... People saw gains some time ago with Steam Cloud disabled in CloD... Research a little.

Well this is not my first rodeo..

That and I understand just how easy the human senses can be fooled. That being if someone really Really REALLY wants to see something.. they typically will see it (within reason). A good example being some of the ghost hunter shows on cable, but I digress.

I will say this, I hope I am wrong! I hope you are seeing a fps increase!

But know this, thus far you have provided no proof of it. Sorry if it upsets you, but just because you call it testing, it does not mean it qualify as a test. Not in the scientific method mind set where it is repeatable and measurable.

On that note, what 'tools' are you using to measure the fps? What baseline playback file (ala black death track find in IL2) are you using to preform your before and after tests on? Or is it safe to assume that your definition of TEST TOOLS is your eyeballs?

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Well this is not my first rodeo..

That and I understand just how easy the human senses can be fooled. That being if someone really Really REALLY wants to see something.. they typically will see it (within reason). A good example being some of the ghost hunter shows on cable, but I digress.

I will say this, I hope I am wrong! I hope you are seeing a fps increase!

But know this, thus far you have provided no proof of it. Sorry if it upsets you, but just because you call it testing, it does not mean it qualify as a test. Not in the scientific method mind set where it is repeatable and measurable.

On that note, what 'tools' are you using to measure the fps? What baseline playback file (ala black death track find in IL2) are you using to preform your before and after tests on? Or is it safe to assume that your definition of TEST TOOLS is your eyeballs?

The best tool is attacking a formation of +10 He111 in the same mission I fly in regular basis testing CloD performance, with recorded tracks and with all "stutter points" marked.

You assume people are idiot. We aren't. Test it yourself or just shut up. I have LOTS of videos in YouTube - Black Death too. Tomorrow I'll upload the retesting of this track with this update. I run it here and my" eyeballs" saw much more fluid FPS in HIGHER settings...

But you are the "FMs expert". You are a science man, sorry if my not-double blind study can't change your mind. My fault!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

The best tool is attacking a formation of +10 He111 in the same mission I fly in regular basis testing CloD performance, with recorded tracks and with all "stutter points" marked.

You assume people are idiot. We aren't. Test it yourself or just shut up. I have LOTS of videos in YouTube - Black Death too. Tomorrow I'll upload the retesting of this track with this update. I run it here and my" eyeballs" saw much more fluid FPS in HIGHER settings...

But you are the "FMs expert". You are a science man, sorry if my not-double blind study can't change your mind. My fault!

Roger.. so no formal let alone repeatable or measurable test method.. Got it!

On a related note, I noticed that you keep avoiding answering the following items I brought up, i.e.

1) The patch did not change the version number of the game.
2) Human senses are easily fooled.
3) You have no before and after tests that show the increase.
4) You have not used any tools other than your eyes to measure the increase.

Is that because you see the logic in what I am saying and realize that any attempt on your part to try and explain them away will only show everyone how weak your argument is? Or is it something else?

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Is that because you see the logic in what I am saying and realize that any attempt on your part to try and explain them away will only show everyone how weak your argument is? Or is it something else?

I never had maximum 60 FPS in The Black Death track, in the settings I used t use to test. Just like SacaSoh.

Now I achieve this maximum FPS with all settings up, besides trees and Land Detail, that I keep in low/medium, and AA disabled ingame. Even SSAO I turn on. AND I DON'T HAVE ANY TEXTURE STREAMING STUTTER IN QUICKMISSION OVER LONDON, EVEN WITH TEXTURES IN "ORIGINAL" AND BUILDINGS IN "UNLIMITED"! THAT'S NEVER HAPPENS BEFORE!

It's something that I can test and provide some "numbers": 60 and ZERO! I'm not trying to argument with you, you are very limited but believe that are the savior of logic, typical behaviour of people with emotional problems. I want that you be happy. Good luck in your journey!

If people can test some perfromance increase - or not - will be nice!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

I never had maximum 60 FPS in The Black Death track, in the settings I used t use to test. Just like SacaSoh.

Now I achieve this maximum FPS with all settings up, besides trees and Land Detail, that I keep in low/medium, and AA disabled ingame. Even SSAO I turn on. AND I DON'T HAVE ANY TEXTURE STREAMING STUTTER IN QUICKMISSION OVER LONDON, EVEN WITH TEXTURES IN "ORIGINAL" AND BUILDINGS IN "UNLIMITED"! THAT'S NEVER HAPPENS BEFORE!

It's something that I can test and provide some "numbers": 60 and ZERO! I'm not trying to argument with you, you are very limited but believe that are the savior of logic, typical behaviour of people with emotional problems. I want that you be happy. Good luck in your journey!

If people can test some perfromance increase - or not - will be nice!

I noticed that you keep avoiding answering the following items I brought up, i.e.

1) The patch did not change the version number of the game.
2) Human senses are easily fooled.
3) You have not used any tools other than your eyes to measure the increase.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Well its late.. Im off to bed

Again, sorry if I upset you!

[Blackdog_kt]

Lobisomem: No need to call names just because some people don't agree with you. This is not a crusade to convince each other, it's fine for each one of us to have their own opinion.

Ace: He answered your questions pretty well. The black death track and in-game FPS counter are good enough repeatable tests.

Custom missions are even better though, because the track playback feature is sometimes a bit bugged, not to mention that the black death benchmark track used by most is from a version several patches ago and not the best in terms of compatibility.

It's far better to have a single custom mission as a benchmark that you will fly in the exact same way each time, because it takes into account all of the patch changes up to that point. Having enabled the in-game FPS counter, getting the average and minimums at the end of the run is as good a benchmark as any for this time.

When the track playback is fixed then it will be possible to use a fixed track as a standard benchmark tool between patches, but for now it's easier and more accurate to enable the FPS counter and just reenact the scenarios that you know give you performance problems.

For example, i get 25-60 FPS depending on terrain. The only place get lower than 25 FPS is when skimming the rooftops over London at very low altitude. The only thing i need to do to test this patch is start the London sightseeing tour from the QMB, enable the FPS counter and once the mission starts drop down to the deck and see what kind of numbers it displays.

There are many repeatable tests and not everyone uses the same track/mission, especially if there are quicker ways to get your PC in a stressful situation than having to sit through the entire track.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

I got to say, it does appear to increase your fps. Tested last night, and on average, I picked up 10 frames per second. Increasing AA didn't do anything however, only the FSAA fix gives my GTX 560Ti any sort of AA. But completely removing any AA from the in-game menu was responsible for an increase of about 6fps.

Exactly. Native MSAA in CloD still not working, I still using the FXAA "fix and after this update I saw - with same VGA - much less anoying stutters in stressfull situations and better FPS. And that with HIGHER settigs that I was using before this update.

It's not "subjective" or "placebo". Just test it. Why in hell is so hard to peple do that BEFORE jump here to talk crap?!

Really strange this "community"... It's "good news bullet proof"...

[SacaSoh]

Tested here... it can be placebo effect or coincidence, but on black death, keeping the FSAA dll, i'm getting about 10fps, didn't do a "scientific" equal view angles test, but on explosions, groups of planes, etc i've got a noticeable increase in performance (sometimes it "locked" on 60fps for some time, absolutely sure that it never happended before on black death). But, as i said, it can be a coincidence.

Edit: didn't see LoBiSoMeM post... now this i call coincidence.