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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

View Poll Results: Would you be willing to pay for additional contend?
yes 93 36.19%
no 125 48.64%
not sure 39 15.18%
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:49 PM
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Thats all fine but as a moderator its worth knowing that your view point isn't what is generally accepted on these forums, but i'm sure you are already aware of that. Oh and for the record i very much do appreciate that you haven't banned me or all the others that feel the same way. Also, all the polls we have had do suggest that the mass majority of people on here do agree with my viewpoint, and further to that a very large amount of people who were once die hard Luthier supporters have changed thier opinion since the release, not because of the patch updates but because of the lack of communication. You are in the minority on this one, but like you have said you do have the ban button to fall back on should you want to change the tide.
Are you trying to imply once again that we are going to hand out bans to shut people's mouths or am i just misunderstanding things?

Anyway, many of the polls you talk about are worded in ways that are open to different interpretations. I voted in some of them in a way that was more in line to what you would have voted, but i still don't hold the same interpretation of them as you do.

That "grade the game" poll of a few weeks back showed the majority of people were giving it between 50% and 70%, so i fail to see how that makes you a majority when you graded it a 10%-20% if i'm not mistaken.

What i can certainly concede is that the people who talk the most and loudest are the ones that agree with you. It's exactly this which creates a false perception of majority, the visibility of it all.

The multitude of people who post infrequently but flood my PM box with complaints about certain behaviours and my e-mail account with automated messages from reported posts (with some very interesting and enlightening reasons for reporting them) give off an entirely different picture to which you are not privy.

You are in the minority all right, it's just that you lack access to the relevant data to realize it and your voice is loud enough to drown out any doubts you might be having.

I have no interest to debate this further really, so let's just agree to disagree here and each one of us can keep having their original opinion. I don't care if you are convinced by me, i know i won't be convinced by you either, so let's stop derailing the thread otherwise i'll have to end up moving both your and my posts to the arguments thread to keep this one on-topic





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Could you please be so kind and give us source link ? A RoF-Style business model would be a nightmare and IMO the end of the series.
It's not a recent one, just one of their older interviews on simHQ. In any case, if they wanted to follow the RoF way they would have done it with the E-1 and stopped talking about the release of an SDK, so i think we don't have to worry about this unless a publisher decision overrides their own wishes.
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Old 08-27-2011, 08:04 PM
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Are you trying to imply once again that we are going to hand out bans to shut people's mouths or am i just misunderstanding things?

Anyway, many of the polls you talk about are worded in ways that are open to different interpretations. I voted in some of them in a way that was more in line to what you would have voted, but i still don't hold the same interpretation of them as you do.

That "grade the game" poll of a few weeks back showed the majority of people were giving it between 50% and 70%, so i fail to see how that makes you a majority when you graded it a 10%-20% if i'm not mistaken.

What i can certainly concede is that the people who talk the most and loudest are the ones that agree with you. It's exactly this which creates a false perception of majority, the visibility of it all.

The multitude of people who post infrequently but flood my PM box with complaints about certain behaviours and my e-mail account with automated messages from reported posts (with some very interesting and enlightening reasons for reporting them) give off an entirely different picture to which you are not privy.

You are in the minority all right, it's just that you lack access to the relevant data to realize it and your voice is loud enough to drown out any doubts you might be having.

I have no interest to debate this further really, so let's just agree to disagree here and each one of us can keep having their original opinion. I don't care if you are convinced by me, i know i won't be convinced by you either, so let's stop derailing the thread otherwise i'll have to end up moving both your and my posts to the arguments thread to keep this one on-topic







It's not a recent one, just one of their older interviews on simHQ. In any case, if they wanted to follow the RoF way they would have done it with the E-1 and stopped talking about the release of an SDK, so i think we don't have to worry about this unless a publisher decision overrides their own wishes.
Or we could take it to an online channel map and sort it out in the air?
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Old 08-27-2011, 08:07 PM
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One thing this poll shows clearly is that releasing an unfinished game in this condition hurts you in the long run for future sales. Also, the longer it takes to fix it, the more it will be difficult to regain any of those dollars. Its a real shame.
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Old 08-27-2011, 08:20 PM
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Is this a official question, or just a stupid prank?
I don't see how asking such a stupid question in a alpha/beta state would do this community any good.
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Old 08-27-2011, 08:33 PM
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Is this a official question, or just a stupid prank?
I don't see how asking such a stupid question in a alpha/beta state would do this community any good.
I believe NedLynch is an avid supporter judging from his posts. Muzzling anything that is not flattering doesn't help the community either. Good comms from the devs would sure help though.
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Old 08-27-2011, 09:05 PM
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Yeah, I am an avid supporter, because I didn't listen to the whiners and people who are trying to run this game at minimum specs. Bought the game and it runs prefectly fine on my mid..ish system.
Since when do you guys play computer games? Since the dawn of recommended specs everyone knows you better be close to them or a good cut above them, don't even bother with your premanufactured, overpriced, bloatware filled and by default underperforming piece of compaq or dell or whatever manufacturer you bought it from.
Sorry had to vent.

To spell it out for those who still don't see the point behind this poll: dev team has revenue = continued development, dev team runs out of revenue = no more support for the game.
This is just one idea to prevent that from happening, there may be others of course, all I wanted to see how the community stands in terms of continued support for the devs.
Ok, even though the fewest people here seem to really read through a thread before posting, we all bought the game, we all spend the asking price either oblivious to the problem postings and reviews or in full concience of them. I fall into the latter category, in any case complaining you were ripped off is completely invalid.
I did get what I payed for and am happy with it, of course I want more and, deveating from my original postion a bit, as multiple people stated, if made into a comprehensive package am willing to pay for that additional content as well.
The cries for "first fix the game", they are fixing it, did you guys miss that?
I am aiming for continued support not for the next month or two but for years to come.
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Old 08-29-2011, 02:17 PM
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......To spell it out for those who still don't see the point behind this poll: dev team has revenue = continued development, dev team runs out of revenue = no more support for the game.........

.........The cries for "first fix the game", they are fixing it, did you guys miss that?
I am aiming for continued support not for the next month or two but for years to come.
That is what i am refering to, Dutch_851.
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Old 08-29-2011, 02:22 PM
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That is what i am refering to, Dutch_851.
Ah, I see. Well I've already spent £100 of my money, and that's enough from me for the basic game to be made good.

Had I bought it @ £13.99 from Just Flight, maybe I'd be willing to shovel in some more cash for the basic game to be made good by buying additional content, so my attitude of 'not yet' still holds true.

'They are fixing it' isn't the same as 'It's fixed'. At all.

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Old 08-28-2011, 12:58 PM
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That "grade the game" poll of a few weeks back showed the majority of people were giving it between 50% and 70%, so i fail to see how that makes you a majority when you graded it a 10%-20% if i'm not mistaken.
View Poll Results: Your rating of COD right now.
10 25 10.25%
20 4 1.64%
30 18 7.38%
40 29 11.89%
50 42 17.21%
60 48 19.67%
70 53 21.72%
80 14 5.74%
90 7 2.87%
100 4 1.64%

just to refresh everyone's mind

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Old 08-28-2011, 01:05 PM
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Yep the average score was 56%? BD your memory is a little off.
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