BF109 - Can't we just have the gunsight in the middle? - Page 35

335th_GRAthos · #**341** 07-04-2011, 08:13 PM

Oops, you are right!

Sorry guys, never looked at this picture so intensively.

So I have to be thankfull to Lixma for his scientific picture after all

~S~

RE77ACTION · #**342** 07-04-2011, 08:49 PM

@335th_GRAthos: No problem, it's okay. I understand it gets annoying when you have to explain this thing for 100th time. At least I would get annoyed from it...

Nice reading though!

klem · #**343** 07-04-2011, 10:16 PM

GRAthos

I think the photo is misleading because you are assuming he is aiming at a target. I think he is just leaning to the right or perhaps 'aiming' at the camera (which is a little to his left).

I have marked the pilot's eye position behind the sight and then projected the MG17 and aircraft centrelines onto the photo and placed the sightline pro-rata in position according to Lixma's FW190 drawing. You can see that the sight line passes to the right of the pilot's eye - or the left of it from the pilot's point of view (see thumbnail).

Then I enlarged the pilots face and placed a box around his eyes. I then placed a red box of the same width, offset to the right by the amount the aiming eye is off the sight line (I added the eye position too) plus it's centreline. You can see that the red eyes box centreline is in the centre of the cockpit frame give or take a pixel (second thumbnail).

So it all lines up with Lixma's drawing and the pilot does not lean when aiming.

Unless of course we have a RL WWII 109 pilot on the forum who knows better.

335th_GRAthos · #**344** 07-04-2011, 10:26 PM

Nice work Klem, a bit too difficult for me, Lixma's drawing is a straight explanation, better than my picture.

I admit looking at the picture in front of me (A4 size) it is so high quality that I am drawn by the eyes of the pilot looking straight at me that I did not notice the headreast behind.

What however grasped my attention is the size of the Revi glass because it covers more than half his face.

Wolf_Rider · #**345** 07-05-2011, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strike

GRAthos, actually the pilot is leaning slightly to his right (you can tell by the head position in the cockpit + the head-cushion on the seat. Also since the photographer is slightly to the planes LEFT side when shooting the photograph, it doesn't clearly show how much he is leaning to his right. It also doesn't show 100% how easy it is for him to look through his sight! I think the game is good as it is.

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=13417.0

vnvv_stea · #**346** 07-07-2011, 01:31 PM

HI All,

I'm wondering if someone can tell me if we have possibility to set up a weapons sight in 109 as in old IL2!

drewpee · #**347** 07-07-2011, 02:49 PM

As it is ATM it's real easy to loose track of the sight after maneuvering. If it was that hard IRL wouldn't they have changed to the English stile sight?

SQB · #**348** 07-15-2011, 02:06 PM

The sight can be viewed with the right eye whilst the left eye can see out the windshield.

currently in CloD our eye position is in the exact MIDDLE of the cockpit, this is incorrect.

Solution: 1) Run the game in 3d (I have tried this, it went okay but the fps dropped fairly low on my system)
2) Shift the default eye position to the right (so that the gunsight is always visible... this is ok I guess but it defeats the purpose of have both a clear line of sight and a gunsight at all times)

on a side note:
I think we can also all agree that the head movement from g's is too much, head movement should be mostly tracking the horizon (as in DCS).
The cockpit view has the pilots head too far forward, especially with loosened seatbelt.

klem · #**349** 07-15-2011, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SQB

........currently in CloD our eye position is in the exact MIDDLE of the cockpit, this is incorrect. ...........The cockpit view has the pilots head too far forward, especially with loosened seatbelt.

Yes and Yes.

In CloD you only have one eye - right in the middle of your forehead (as it was in IL-2).

As I've said many times, the 'gunsight' view would be ok if it didn't bang your eye right up to the sight glass but left it at your default distance.

All we need for gunsight view is a shift sideways as in IL-2 and forget the seat belt/head forward nonsense.

If you are fortunate enough to have TrackIR, do what I do and just lean a little to the right. As long as you can see the centre of the cross-hair you can judge the rest ok. Leaning further will get you the whole cross-hair.

SEE · #**350** 07-15-2011, 05:14 PM

I managed to get up to the cockpit of a Bf109E-3 last weekend. I read they were tight but I have to say I was suprised at just how tight!

Looking inside it (from no more than a foot away) my perception was that I would hardly have to move my head to see through the sight. The BF's are extremely nice up close and the first time I have seen them in flight - super ac and one I must fly (in game) more regularly.