BF109 - Can't we just have the gunsight in the middle?

[Lixma]

This might help some...(hope springs eternal)

Here's a BF109 pilot's perspective.

Right eye open, left eye shut....



Left eye open, right eye shut....



And here is what a pilot with two eyes open would see....



And here we have the current set up in CoD. It also happens to faithfully, realistically, recreate what a Cyclops would see were he ever to fly for the Luftwaffe.

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Originally Posted by Lixma

And here is what a pilot with two eyes open would see....

No that is not what he would see.

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

No that is not what he would see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex_sight

Because reflex sights provide an illuminated reticle, they are often used with both eyes open (the brain will tend to automatically superimpose the illuminated reticle image coming from the dominant eye onto the other eye's unobstructed view), giving the shooter normal depth perception and full field of view.

OK, what would he see?

[b101uk]

We should remember wile most people brain can superimpose 2 slightly different images given they have 2 eyes and do it ALL the time , some people have different eye dominance so would not be able to process info from a RH sight without training unless they used the left eye instead for the sight (regardless of if they are left or right handed)

Likewise not everyone (fewer people) in all would be able to use a magnified image in one eye and normal focuses in the other eye, thats why fewer people have both eyes open with telescopic sights than with reflex sights.

Remember the brain is a powerful with respect to image processing, given that what out eye see’s and feeds to the brain is upside-down and the brain flips it the right way up and that the brain if we were to ware some special glasses that flipped the image upside-down after a few weeks to a couple of months the brain would flip the image so we would the correct way up agene as experiments have shown.

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Originally Posted by Lixma

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex_sight



OK, what would he see?

Thanks I know how a reflex sight works.

The whole mistake you are doing since I do not know how many posts, is to assume the reflex sight is set up to project into the right eye by default. It's an assumption, and it's wrong, because the pilots head is not in the position to make that work by default - for many reasons. It only works if you lean slightly right and forward. Note, not much forward - most here have no idea how small the Bf109 cockpit is, and how close you are to the instrument panel. The sim gives a wrong impression of that.

What the sim shows in the normal view (half cut of circle) is indeed what you see if your head is in the "default" position, and the leaning right and forward (shift F1) is pretty much spot on. What is NOT correct is the subjective impression of distance to the panel in the sim.

[Lixma]

I'm too tired to repeat myself tonight so i'll limit myself to this....

Originally Posted by KOM.Nausicaa

What the sim shows in the normal view (half cut of circle) is indeed what you see if your head is in the "default" position

No it doesn't.

CoD's default view is what a Cyclops would see; a being with one eye looking straight down the centre-line of the aircraft. To my knowledge no Cyclops ever flew for the Luftwaffe....although I confess I have no hard data on the issue.

Poor Lixma. Hopes getting high that finally people understood and then somebody jumps in that obviously hasn't read all posts or did understand them.

Lixma's right. Period.

[KOM.Nausicaa]

No he is not. He is dead wrong. The sim default view is what you see, it is correct -- except for being much closer to the panel IRL. A small movement is enough to put your body/head into position. But you do NOT see the full circle as he pretends. I have experienced it myself in a cockpit replica 1:1 with working REVI once. (109 artisanal replica) There was a youtube video about that thing, but it's a long time ago. Can't find it.


And yes I am German. Btw, If someone is interested he can experience it at the technical museum in Berlin, but with a FW 190 cockpit. Same principle and REVI position though.

[Laurwin]

Originally Posted by Lixma

I'm too tired to repeat myself tonight so i'll limit myself to this....



No it doesn't.

CoD's default view is what a Cyclops would see; a being with one eye looking straight down the centre-line of the aircraft. To my knowledge no Cyclops ever flew for the Luftwaffe....although I confess I have no hard data on the issue.

for the record there was atleast one cyclopean Luftwaffw pilot as you would put it. He lost his eye in earlier combat, but he returned to duty, he fought until 1945. It's kind of embarrasinf that I forgot his name, but he most likely served in one of the staffels of JG26. He was an older veteran ace compared to the raw recruits that provided bulk of pilot reserve.

Although he did get a little bit assistance from his wingman, during landings (because with only one eye he couldnt tell depth so easily). Probably wingman landed alongsode him oer in front of him.

Then on japanese side there was saburo sakai who became cyclops ( or a pirate if youd prefer that lol)

Do you guys know idf saka was able to bag any kills over americans after he got wounded?

[Hatch]

So which is more real then ?

The perception of reality is so subjective.

I think it's a viable alternative, and should be an option for those that wish to simulate real life