Yet another week of running in the dark.

[Trooper117]

Originally Posted by TonyD

Trooper, if this were ‘just a game’, then you would be quite correct – we could toss it away as a failure and move on to something else while the developer went bankrupt. However, this ‘game’ is a long-anticipated and much-hyped replacement for the most popular WW-II combat sim ever, and as such has a very devoted and loyal fan base who feel (quite rightly in some respects) somewhat cheated by the lack of previously promised regular updates on the progress of much-needed fixes.

I don’t group myself into this category as my passion lies with racing sims, but I can definitely identify with the sentiment. A realistic fact is that there is no alternative to CloD, unlike most other games (including racing sims), and this produces the noted reaction to the lack news from the developer, as well as the resulting rumours.

I've had IL2 since day one.. I have several other flight simulation 'games'.. and I've been waiting for this game, and despite it's complexity is still a game, for years.. I can't tell you how much time I've spent on forums leading up to it's release, anticipating a monumental leap forward in all of it's aspects.

I'm what you could call 'old school' I guess.. A full career in the armed forces, (now, climb into a full military simulator, and then come and tell me that this is not a game..) Plus, I've always been taught that you don't whinge or whine at what life throws at you.. you just make the best of what you have and get on with it. I carry that philosophy with me in whatever I do, and that includes playing 'games'..

Some of the posters here should get themselves into a high performance prop driven aircraft, and throw it all over the sky in some actual WWII combat tactics, and then they might get some perspective reference a computer game versus real life, and actualy understand that what they appear to have wrapped their whole lives around is just a very realistic and demanding game and nothing more..

I love the whole 'flight sim' genre, in particular WWII, but I don't turn into some sort of crusading avenger just because a game I have bought has not lived up to its expectations.. there are more real life and death issues I deal with that have a meaningful impact on my life..

Jesus.. look at me rabbiting on. Better get off this rather shaky soap box!

[Ze-Jamz]

Well i certainly dont want an apology..

All i would like was weekly updates on fixes or what not

[philip.ed]

I WANT I WANT! WHINGE WHINGE WHINGE.... (that's it in a nutshell really)

Well said Trooper. Of course we'd all love weekly, if not daily, updates! But we have to understand that whilst we ourselves can try and guess what's going on with the team, only they know it themselves, so we have to respect their business model and get along with life.
This, as Trooper said, is just a game! It won't become out holygrail overnight, so enjoy life more and watch the slow transition into something amazing. At the end of the day, if the sim doesn't go under, that is all that will, and can, happen.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I WANT I WANT! WHINGE WHINGE WHINGE.... (that's it in a nutshell really)

Well said Trooper. Of course we'd all love weekly, if not daily, updates! But we have to understand that whilst we ourselves can try and guess what's going on with the team, only they know it themselves, so we have to respect their business model and get along with life.
This, as Trooper said, is just a game! It won't become out holygrail overnight, so enjoy life more and watch the slow transition into something amazing. At the end of the day, if the sim doesn't go under, that is all that will, and can, happen.

Well as well as going out with my GF having nice meals and drinks or maybe just taking my FirebladeRR8 out for a spin or even going to Airsoft and having a day there which i would sum up as enjoying life...

I would still like a weekly update..

i thank you

[philip.ed]

I know, we all would, but I think the team already knows this (hence why Luthier said a forum manager would be installed).
At the end of the day, these topics have been done to death. The question is though whether this kind of pressure has any effect or not. Maybe we should take it as a good sign that the team have better things to do than post here?

(and sorry for the caps, it made me sound really rude).

[kristorf]

Originally Posted by Trooper117

I've had IL2 since day one.. I have several other flight simulation 'games'.. and I've been waiting for this game, and despite it's complexity is still a game, for years.. I can't tell you how much time I've spent on forums leading up to it's release, anticipating a monumental leap forward in all of it's aspects.

I'm what you could call 'old school' I guess.. A full career in the armed forces, (now, climb into a full military simulator, and then come and tell me that this is not a game..) Plus, I've always been taught that you don't whinge or whine at what life throws at you.. you just make the best of what you have and get on with it. I carry that philosophy with me in whatever I do, and that includes playing 'games'..

Some of the posters here should get themselves into a high performance prop driven aircraft, and throw it all over the sky in some actual WWII combat tactics, and then they might get some perspective reference a computer game versus real life, and actualy understand that what they appear to have wrapped their whole lives around is just a very realistic and demanding game and nothing more..

I love the whole 'flight sim' genre, in particular WWII, but I don't turn into some sort of crusading avenger just because a game I have bought has not lived up to its expectations.. there are more real life and death issues I deal with that have a meaningful impact on my life..

Top words Dave

[roadczar]

Despite all the pontificating the original complaint was rather simple.
Where is the freaking update?

[Capt Backasswards]

Maybe some should pay better attention to Luthier's post:

"Most importantly, please don't take the frequency of my visits as an indication of anything right now. As a matter of fact, if you see me here posting a lot, that's the best clue that we are NOT working as hard as we should. All of us at 1C:Maddox Games, 1C Softclub, and Ubisoft, are fully committed to the game and to the series, and like we always said, we will continue to support it with patches, add-ons and sequels in the coming months and years."

Taken from this post:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=22887

[Winger]

Originally Posted by Capt Backasswards

Maybe some should pay better attention to Luthier's post:

"Most importantly, please don't take the frequency of my visits as an indication of anything right now. As a matter of fact, if you see me here posting a lot, that's the best clue that we are NOT working as hard as we should. All of us at 1C:Maddox Games, 1C Softclub, and Ubisoft, are fully committed to the game and to the series, and like we always said, we will continue to support it with patches, add-ons and sequels in the coming months and years."

Taken from this post:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=22887

I know this post. But 2 lines a week about the actual status do not even reuire a reading of all the forums. Just a small update is not asked too much and wont keep him off his important work for too long. Thats out of discussion. Really - cmon. Anyone that says diffrent just doesnt get it.
I am employed as well. I write tons of mails everday each with more than 2 sentenses. And i know 2 sentenses dont take longer than like 30 seconds.

Winger

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by Trooper117

I've had IL2 since day one.. I have several other flight simulation 'games'.. and I've been waiting for this game, and despite it's complexity is still a game, for years.. I can't tell you how much time I've spent on forums leading up to it's release, anticipating a monumental leap forward in all of it's aspects.

I'm what you could call 'old school' I guess.. A full career in the armed forces, (now, climb into a full military simulator, and then come and tell me that this is not a game..) Plus, I've always been taught that you don't whinge or whine at what life throws at you.. you just make the best of what you have and get on with it. I carry that philosophy with me in whatever I do, and that includes playing 'games'..

Some of the posters here should get themselves into a high performance prop driven aircraft, and throw it all over the sky in some actual WWII combat tactics, and then they might get some perspective reference a computer game versus real life, and actualy understand that what they appear to have wrapped their whole lives around is just a very realistic and demanding game and nothing more..

I love the whole 'flight sim' genre, in particular WWII, but I don't turn into some sort of crusading avenger just because a game I have bought has not lived up to its expectations.. there are more real life and death issues I deal with that have a meaningful impact on my life..

Jesus.. look at me rabbiting on. Better get off this rather shaky soap box!

Whether this product known as CloD is called a game, simulation or whatever in between makes no difference. It is the only modern title of it's kind (WW2 CFS) in existance or in development as far as I'm aware of atleast and that's the point that matters. The people enthusiastic for this title can't just jump into the next release waiting around the corner because there is none. So failure of this title may well mean the end of a beloved hobby or jump back to the ancient version already used to death.
So I would imagine one can see the difference between the two despite the prestigious army career.

And indeed it would be great to jump into one of your high fidelity sims or high perf prop planes to play around with whenever you feel like getting a few aviation kicks, but unfortunately that is not an option for many people around here. And I agree whining on things that you can't change or that have been whined to death already makes no sense. But we're not talking about a rainy day or a cripple here, but 5-10 mins weekly investment from a development team. Customer intimacy is not some weird science of the future, but a pretty fundamental part of running a business. So whether it's the trend of the industry or not it's a low hanging fruit with high rewards through customer retention and additional sales.

I'm not as pissed off about CloD as it may sound, it runs pretty well for me. But I not too happy seeing an attitude of trying to get people to shut up 'and fly a prop plane' if they would prefer to get more regular updates on fixing the title they've bought.