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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 05-04-2011, 02:45 PM
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Battle kill and murder are the same thing in my book.
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the thing is the devs have gone from one etreme of psicopathic humoru like a pilot had got roasted extracrispy in his flying cockpit to a social responsability of confronting what youre really making even while gaming

myself i discover its more fun to stay in formation right on the six enemys at 10 m than shooting them down

imagine spontaneously everybody stopped shooting online and just outperformed others

nahh maybe in a long time in the future

poor indians:

they would face the white man with a wood stick

he would ride his horse dodging the white man shots

he would take his stick and touch the back of the white man

now has he knew he ad won and went away the white man shot him in the back

would you call this a battle kill or a murder?
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Old 05-04-2011, 02:54 PM
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in fact as an english filologist ill add:

kill implie unintention of death while murder implies intention

self defence is not murder since either you make one die or you die you have no intention to make the other person die but not die your self so its unintended

so from a juridical point of view and using the right words osama would have been killed if he picked up a gun and shot but murdered if he didnt

i dont enter wether right or wrong

did you know assasinate comes from hachis as a band of murderers were paid with this sustance

or why god backwars is like dog while devil backwards is like loved

so the devs got it right shooting a guy which intention of him to crash and rip his wings of is nothing but a VIRTUAL murder
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:03 PM
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in fact as an english filologist ill add:

kill implie unintention of death while murder implies intention

self defence is not murder since either you make one die or you die you have no intention to make the other person die but not die your self so its unintended

so from a juridical point of view and using the right words osama would have been killed if he picked up a gun and shot but murdered if he didnt

i dont enter wether right or wrong

did you know assasinate comes from hachis as a band of murderers were paid with this sustance

or why god backwars is like dog while devil backwards is like loved

so the devs got it right shooting a guy which intention of him to crash and rip his wings of is nothing but a VIRTUAL murder
I rarely correct but given the context I just have to point out that the word is 'philologist'. And that's it from me on this thread.
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:13 PM
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''... as an english filologist ill add...''

Once again Raaaid rides to the rescue with a bizarre thread that leads nowhere, but leaves me laughing 'till my eyes water...

Encore, Raaaid, encore...
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:27 PM
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or why god backwars is like dog while devil backwards is like loved
god backwards 'IS' dog and devil backwards is 'lived', at the risk of being chastised again for picking on this poor misguided individual I must say...............WTF are you talking about?
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:30 PM
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oh about word meaning like murder vs kill

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also i thank the devs by calling things by their name

i thought really crazy jump online to form on foes six and get on his nerves and no shoot

but if you thin about it is not crazy:

you avoid target fixation

you go empty with much better plane performance

you avoid comitting a virtual murder for fun

if you succed you really peace off somebody whos trying to shoot at you

after chasing the mouse you can climb up away lighter

now it would be nice if you score for the enemy engine you make others burn
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oh about word meaning like murder vs kill
Well to me 'murder' implies no valid reason to carry out the deed, with murder there is an 'innocent' victim, so yes in pedantic terms the use of the word is incorrect IMO because to be killed in an act of war as a combatant is not murder, kill is just a descriptive. but in english slang the term murder is used in many ways with phrases like 'I could murder a curry' 'the journey in to work was murder' etc...so with enough expressive license there is no reason not to use the word in the sim.

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oh about word meaning like murder vs kill

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also i thank the devs by calling things by their name

i thought really crazy jump online to form on foes six and get on his nerves and no shoot

but if you thin about it is not crazy:

you avoid target fixation

you go empty with much better plane performance

you avoid comitting a virtual murder for fun

if you succed you really peace off somebody whos trying to shoot at you

after chasing the mouse you can climb up away lighter

now it would be nice if you score for the enemy engine you make others burn

OMG. You forgot something important. What about ramming? Would that be murder too? Or maybe just involuntary manslaughter? Could you live with that raaaid? I mean, pixels might have feelings in the virtual world. Maybe better and safer just to stay on the ground and taxi with Hello Kitty.
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:48 PM
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in fact as an english filologist ill add:

kill implie unintention of death while murder implies intention

self defence is not murder since either you make one die or you die you have no intention to make the other person die but not die your self so its unintended

so from a juridical point of view and using the right words osama would have been killed if he picked up a gun and shot but murdered if he didnt

i dont enter wether right or wrong

did you know assasinate comes from hachis as a band of murderers were paid with this sustance

or why god backwars is like dog while devil backwards is like loved

so the devs got it right shooting a guy which intention of him to crash and rip his wings of is nothing but a VIRTUAL murder
in fact as an english filologist ill add:

kill implie unintention of death while murder implies intention


This is correct, if a normal person, like a civilian, plan to kill someone then he is a murderer.

But if has no intention, like in an accident, he was killed someone.

But what is played here is a war, and that fact drive us to this :

self defence is not murder since either you make one die or you die you have no intention to make the other person die but not die your self so its unintended

A soldier going in combat, piloting a war machine full armed is already fighting for his country and his self, and defending his country and his self.

So if the soldier shot other soldier in combat is kill not murder.

-What Jack the ripper did = murder

-What a soldier do = kill
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