I would like one question,why is not included in this part of the E4 Messer?

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

Originally Posted by Osprey

You are wrong. Less than 30% were E4's by the time the BoB was ending.

JG2 had mostly E-1's throughout, only the likes of Galland had newer types.

And your sources? Please list. I'd like to know more.

Everything I have access to shows that across the extent of deployed Geshwader, both early in BoB and late in Bob E-1's - were minority - only assigned to some Enlisted pilots. Galland was in JG26 not 2.

I think also that Galland, Wick, Balthasar and other 'Kannon' mainly had E-4/N's. Look at the Octane rating on their aircraft in profiles. The issues is a bit confused by E-1's/E-3's with E-4 canopy and E-3's which had ben upgraded to E-4 standard.

BTW, my main JG26 source "JG26 Top Guns of the Luftwaffe - Donald Caldwell".

S!

Gunny

[robtek]

Just for info:

The canopy style has NOTHING to do with E3 or E4!!!!
The only difference between those models are the weapons in the wings!!!!
E3 -> MG-FF
E4 -> MG-FF/M

So ANY E3 that received the weapon upgrade was automatically a E4.
The squared canopy was refitted to all Emils when available, but some pilots wanted visibility more than protection.

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

I only used the term E4 canopy for convieniance sake.

Any idea of a better term?

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by TUSA/TX-Gunslinger

I only used the term E4 canopy for convieniance sake.

Any idea of a better term?

Dunno, say rounded-frame and square-frame canopy I guess.

[WTE_Galway]

I am in favor of as many early models as possible.

The "whinge and whine" factor of online hotrod jocks complaining about needing faster later machines means flightsims very rarely progress backwards in time.

Hence the earlier the initial models in the sim are the better.

[TheGrunch]

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised once the third-party scene takes off for the new series. After all, we had plenty of early-war birds turn up after the initial release even for Il-2, the Gladiator, for example, even if it was created as an export version. Lots of guys from European countries other than England and Germany have an interest in the earlier types because they were the main types in use in their countries. The Buffalo for Finland, for example.

BTW, I think one of the guys earlier in the thread had it nailed when he pointed out that give the screenshots we've seen of the armament screen and the info that many have given regarding the profusion of different variations of the cockpit/head armour styles among all three models, equipping any aircraft as an E-4 instead of an E-3 will likely be more of a case of choosing the belting. Admittedly that creates the "inaccuracy" of being able to fire older-type ammo with the newer MG FF/M, but given that on choosing the ammo you're semantically choosing the gun it's loaded into, and in terms of the damage model and aircraft weights there ought not to be a noticeable difference in the MG FF -> MG FF/M transition so I don't think it really matters.

The real omission is the E-1.

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

Dunno, say rounded-frame and square-frame canopy I guess.

Thanks!

After thinking for a bit - either what you propose or perhaps "armored" or "unarmored"?

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by TUSA/TX-Gunslinger

Thanks!

After thinking for a bit - either what you propose or perhaps "armored" or "unarmored"?

Haha, don't take me as any kind of definitive reference. It's not something that anyone's going to criticise you for if you don't use the most closely-translated name, though, I'm sure.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by robtek

No, the E4 is just a E3 where the MG-FF were replaced with MG-FF/M.
The canopy change was made around the same time to all emils for additional pilot protection.

If that's the only difference, then maybe we'll have it as an option in the arming options. The sim might still call it an E-3, but if i can go to the belting options and choose the m-shells for the cannons it's a good enough E-4 for me until they properly patch it in.


EDIT: Seems i was a bit slow

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

Maybe the mineshells are selectable as a belting option. I know, the name of the Bf 109 would not be historically 100% correct in this case.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by TUSA/TX-Gunslinger

I only used the term E4 canopy for convieniance sake.

Any idea of a better term?

The RAF called them "squareheads"