Freetrack interface use in IL-2:CoD

[Wolf_Rider]

I don't belive jumping in front of a train has anything whatsoever to do with headtracking, and basicaly was just a really silly thing to say.

[Strike]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

I don't belive jumping in front of a train has anything whatsoever to do with headtracking, and basicaly was just a really silly thing to say.

I'm going to +1 that one. And pose the statement : Irrelevance?

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

I don't belive jumping in front of a train has anything whatsoever to do with headtracking, and basicaly was just a really silly thing to say.

Have EVERYTHING with headtracking, because is about OPTIONS!

If you two don't understand that, sorry. I like to have OPTION in my life, FREE CHOICES...

I don't want to buy a TiR. And someone maybe don't want to jump in front of a train. Options, choices...

And the "Strike" guy voted NO for support for FT. They don't understand that people MAYBE can make their own choices... I'm not surprised...

[Wolf_Rider]

mentioned many times Lobi... your poll was poorly worded and you were pegged as using it only to prove your position.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

mentioned many times Lobi... your poll was poorly worded and you were pegged as using it only to prove your position.

Yes, it's "poorly worded", but we have 83% for FT use in IL-2:CoD, as usual...

I'm proving my position, loser!

[Strike]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Have EVERYTHING with headtracking, because is about OPTIONS!

If you two don't understand that, sorry. I like to have OPTION in my life, FREE CHOICES...

I don't want to buy a TiR. And someone maybe don't want to jump in front of a train. Options, choices...

And the "Strike" guy voted NO for support for FT. They don't understand that people MAYBE can make their own choices... I'm not surprised...

Ok analyzing...

"Have EVERYTHING with headtracking, because is about OPTIONS!"

Say what now? What/who HAS* everything with headtracking??? and the reason is about OPTIONS!"? nothing here makes sense!

next sentance:

"If you two don't understand that, sorry. I like to have OPTION in my life, FREE CHOICES..."

You are right, I don't understand a word of you, apology accepted! You like options? Well so do I, FREE CHOICES! is a part of living in a democratic society! This isn't North Korea (poor guys are probably not getting CoD). On the free choices topic, I like to choose between Mars and Snickers, I won't however, accept a free chocolate from a stranger, would you eat that?

Okay, further on:

"I don't want to buy a TiR. And someone maybe don't want to jump in front of a train. Options, choices..."

You are comparing buying track IR to commiting suicide. I can understand why you don't want to buy a track IR then. You should go look at www.naturalpoint.com and read the terms and restrictions etc. There is nothing there saying that if you purchase this product, you have to kill yourself. I choose Track IR, I am alive. (And happy with the product!)

And finally:

"And the "Strike" guy voted NO for support for FT. They don't understand that people MAYBE can make their own choices... I'm not surprised."

You are right, I voted no because I believe that Naturalpoint needs people to buy their products so that they can continue to Cooperate with the simulator developers and "tailor" the 6DOF experience together. Freetrack (to my knowledge) is a free "hack" that tries to simulate the inputs of "Track IR" by using your average webcam. I believe that freetrack is not accurate enough to produce the 6DOF experience we get with TrackIR and so I see no reason for game developers to use their time to add support for freetrack! TrackIR works GREAT with games that support this, but as far as goes for freetrack, I think it is better that the freetrack guys write their own stuff for IL-2: CoD and take responsability to make it compatible, rather than putting the work on Oleg. Just my opinion..

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Strike

You are right, I voted no because I believe that Naturalpoint needs people to buy their products so that they can continue to Cooperate with the simulator developers and "tailor" the 6DOF experience together. Freetrack (to my knowledge) is a free "hack" that tries to simulate the inputs of "Track IR" by using your average webcam. I believe that freetrack is not accurate enough to produce the 6DOF experience we get with TrackIR and so I see no reason for game developers to use their time to add support for freetrack! TrackIR works GREAT with games that support this, but as far as goes for freetrack, I think it is better that the freetrack guys write their own stuff for IL-2: CoD and take responsability to make it compatible, rather than putting the work on Oleg. Just my opinion..

I can see now that you are a complete ignorant about the subject. Why do you vote?

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

I can see now that you are a complete ignorant about the subject. Why do you vote?

what? ... you don't want people to vote now?

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

what? ... you don't want people to vote now?

I want thet people try to learn about the subject BEFORE vote... But I see now that some of the less than 20% of people that vote against FT support know nothing about the subject.

Very intersting...

[vicinity]

Originally Posted by Strike

Freetrack (to my knowledge) is a free "hack" that tries to simulate the inputs of "Track IR" by using your average webcam. I believe that freetrack is not accurate enough to produce the 6DOF experience we get with TrackIR and so I see no reason for game developers to use their time to add support for freetrack! TrackIR works GREAT with games that support this, but as far as goes for freetrack, I think it is better that the freetrack guys write their own stuff for IL-2: CoD and take responsability to make it compatible, rather than putting the work on Oleg. Just my opinion..

All freetrack does with older games that don't have the encrypted NP api is input values into the game the same way as TrackIR. It does the exact same thing as a generic joystick the only difference being that the HT interface was orginally designed for TrackIR (as it was the only HT device at the time). This imo is not so much a hack but falls under fair usage as there is no other way to interface with the headtracking in these older games.

Even if you think the previous implementation was a 'hack' developers are free to use the freetrack api - This way is definately NOT a hack as if it were no other developer would have implemented it.

I would like to know if you have used freetrack? If you have you may have had bad experiences but with the right setup I can assure you that it is quite impressive and i've had no issues with the quality of the setup (using wii remote at 100fps and a clip I spent a good amount of time perfecting).

The devs do not need to spend any considerable amount of time to implement freetrack as headtracking is already set up, all they need to do is allow access to a few bits of data.

As said before in this thread, the guys that write freetrack don't have to do anything. Freetrack is available for anyone to implement it, everything is there and all it needs is for devs to accept data from it, the program does the rest. It is for us, the FT users or community to try and convince the developers that there is enough demand for it to be worth their time (and it really wouldn't take a lot of time).