1C and Ubisoft Announce IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

The only thing that would raise my eyebrows, would be a civilian add on.

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Boredom beyond belief.

there is a logical next step into that direction however, and that is adding non combat features into the combat sim to make it a more realistic real life world

for ex, ejecting as a pilot over enemy territory should allow you to then land in a field and interact with you environment. climb over a fence, ride a bicicle or steal a parked car/truck. maybe even sneak at night into an enemy airfield and try and pinch an unguarded enemy plane and try and make it home

that scenario doesnt have to go to the absurd level of making SoW/BoB/CoD a 1e person shooter or action game, it just needs to open up the pilot interaction with your environment (for ex enemy guard will only shoot at you if they see you, or if a passing vehicle notices you etc). oleg already added features like being able to open doors on vehicles and planes, moving objects like boxes and bicicles, driving a car, walk around inside a plane etc (many of those not included in CoD first release, but built into the engine to allow later expansion)

in the same vein we should in future be able to fly some supply missions to airfields or troops (eg a non combat aviation mission), do photo reconnaissance and have our photo's available in the mission briefing rooms for other squad mates to view and plan a mission, etc. some myopic combat aviation purists might not get the point (and choose not so fly those missions etc should it become available, which is fine), but it would open up interest from a whole new range of customers who otherwise might not buy the sim (for ex ms-fs-9/10 users etc). whatever expansion in that direction i just mentioned, should of course be in context of the combat flightsim product this game is, but there is lots more to expand into rather then just shoot'emup and bomb the crap out of something for yrs on end

[krz9000]

that trailer was quite underwhelming still the camera has no human shake or momentum. 80% of the footage is above water...and the time we see land its middle to high altitude. ..and how come they create a trailer that shows the game to the global public on a shitty machine that is not able to apply anti-aliasing? next thing that comes to mind is again the idiotic focus on canned mission design...WTF?!?!?! only a few simheads what to play historic missions with almost no replay value. what would have mattered is that they create a game...as in a dynamic mission creation system like in falcon4 where you as a player fell like you achieve something,....to ignore this important feature is just idiotic. a least there is hope that external tools will build that...but how many casual gamers will invest their time to figure out how a mod works (most mods i know dont really care about intuitive guis and so on).

i will buy this game anyway but i fear that its the same stale gameplay experience like il2. and guys...simulations and gameplay do not contradict themself.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by krz9000

that trailer was quite underwhelming still the camera has no human shake or momentum. 80% of the footage is above water...and the time we see land its middle to high altitude. ..and how come they create a trailer that shows the game to the global public on a shitty machine that is not able to apply anti-aliasing?

because is not actually finished of course you whiner !!

your also right now only seeing the first of many trailers, and quality will rapidly improve in them the closer to release date we get. the good news about this announcement and trailer release is that oleg and ubi is now committed to a specific release date and the project is in its final stage with a fixed deadline (but the final build has not gone "gold"). they still have a month or 2 to squeeze more performance out of their final build, and low altitude scenery quality will be the final proof of the pudding. pressing the cd's for final shipping and packing them into the finished boxes takes a week at max

we have been waiting for months for a final product to be released, and all you can do is complain when we get it ?

[zauii]

Originally Posted by zapatista

because is not actually finished of course, you silly whining child !!

your also right now only seeing the first of many trailers, and quality will rapidly improve in them the closer to release date we get. the good news about this announcement and trailer release is that oleg and ubi is now committed to a specific release date and the project is in its final stage with a fixed deadline (but the final build has not gone "gold")

they still have a month or 2 to squeeze more performance out of their final build, and low altitude scenery quality will be the final proof of the pudding. pressing the cd's for final shipping and packing them into the finished boxes takes a week at max

Agree with Zap here, altho i'd say one month then it must be pretty much set for production. But as he says people shouldn't whine to much about the trailer, this is the first trailer, maybe folks should chill and realize that there's still two months left until release and we will get system requirements and more as the progress goes along. Historical battles are of great value as well, many prefer them and not everyone mods or creates missions, the game needs to show what it is @ stock.

Cheers

[brando]

Originally Posted by krz9000

that trailer was quite underwhelming still the camera has no human shake or momentum. 80% of the footage is above water...and the time we see land its middle to high altitude. ..and how come they create a trailer that shows the game to the global public on a shitty machine that is not able to apply anti-aliasing? next thing that comes to mind is again the idiotic focus on canned mission design...WTF?!?!?! only a few simheads what to play historic missions with almost no replay value. what would have mattered is that they create a game...as in a dynamic mission creation system like in falcon4 where you as a player fell like you achieve something,....to ignore this important feature is just idiotic. a least there is hope that external tools will build that...but how many casual gamers will invest their time to figure out how a mod works (most mods i know dont really care about intuitive guis and so on).

i will buy this game anyway but i fear that its the same stale gameplay experience like il2. and guys...simulations and gameplay do not contradict themself.

It's hard to see how you will enjoy the game with that attitude. You say that you play IL-2 and yet you don't seem to have found any of the thousands of player-created missions and campaigns that are available, or joined any on-line scenarios and teamed up with other pilots.
Anyone can tell you that advertising sucks anyway. Using a five-bladed razor and wearing Lynx deodorant doesn't mean your going to get front seat in a wet T-shirt contest or get laid - but if you can wear a smile too you might just stand a chance.

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[rebel357]

Heres a trailer if you havent seen or herd of this game

[addman]

Originally Posted by krz9000

i will buy this game anyway but i fear that its the same stale gameplay experience like il2. and guys...simulations and gameplay do not contradict themself.

This I actually agree with, I hope Oleg and team have improved the game aspect of this sim. Gameplay and realism -as above mentioned- CAN go hand in hand. I really love IL-2 always have but only for certain periods of time since it all gets pretty old after a while. Everything from the campaign generator to the interface in IL-2 feels very archaic. There's is no replay value either since it's so predictable especially if you create your own missions -which I do a lot-. Anywho, I'm sure these aspects have been greatly improved in CoD.