russian anti tank dogs!!!!!

[House MD 221B]

I think no-one gets to judge war, or the acts within war unless they were there.

no one can comprehend or condemn any act of war unless they were the ones who had to act it or choose it.

Its a madness were unfortunately morals and rights get compromised. For example, you can't say that using dogs is wrong, but the government permitted murder of millions one soldier at a time is any more or less wrong.

its unfortunately all equal. Its madness, its unfortunate, its immoral, and its inconceivable. Which is why we don't get to pass judgement, it happened we have to accept it and learn from it. But we don't get to judge it.

Almost every nation has done something reprehensible throughout the course of history. I could list things but can't be bothered as it's not relevant. the point is, humans always have done horrific things to each other and things around them, and we always will.

[mattmanB182]

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

I think no-one gets to judge war, or the acts within war unless they were there.

no one can comprehend or condemn any act of war unless they were the ones who had to act it or choose it.

Its a madness were unfortunately morals and rights get compromised. For example, you can't say that using dogs is wrong, but the government permitted murder of millions one soldier at a time is any more or less wrong.

its unfortunately all equal. Its madness, its unfortunate, its immoral, and its inconceivable. Which is why we don't get to pass judgement, it happened we have to accept it and learn from it. But we don't get to judge it.

Almost every nation has done something reprehensible throughout the course of history. I could list things but can't be bothered as it's not relevant. the point is, humans always have done horrific things to each other and things around them, and we always will.

Your statement may be true, but it seems as though you are making excuses for them. You seem to come from the standpoint that its ok to do whatever you want since it is war. Are you saying we cant judge modern day suicide bombers?

I am simply speaking on behalf of these murderd animals. Animals are more pure than humans anyway.

I am simply saying I am glad it failed for these people. And I still stand by every single statement I have made in this thread.

[House MD 221B]

I make no excuses for anyone's behaviour, hence the inclusion of the word "reprehensible", however it is history, and therefore not changeable, you may disagree with what they did, but they were different times, different attitudes, and in the circumstance they were under you don't get to judge.

Because your opinion, however valid in today's times, is neither relevant, or valid for those times.

Also modern day suicide bombers are different in two ways... 1) they are modern e.g. different times, different attitudes, and also not technically in a state of war.

and 2) Terrorism is not the same as a large scale global military conflict sanctioned legally by the government. Hence the Geneva convention dictating human rights during a time of war and the clear description of what is and is not a war crime.

There are a few books which I think you might find interesting :

1) Slaughter House Five by Kurt Vonnegut
and
2) The Wars - by Timothy Findley

[dazz1971]

i can see where house is coming from many many evil act were commited in the name of war .

i am not condoneing what they did but i can see there reasoning behind it ..
dont forget what the german army/tanks were doing to innocent civillians in russia

put it this way you best mates your family members are getting slaughtered around you the village the german tanks are heading to happens to be your home where you WIFE AND CHILDREN ARE hiding and the only option open to u was to do the same i think you would ???
i know i would and im an animal lover i cant even watch programmes like animal rescue becuse i get so ANGRY at the way ppl treat animals i feel like smashing the tv but war is war and normality doesnt apply you do what you have to do to protect your loved ones ....

[fuzzychickens]

Originally Posted by mattmanB182

Your statement may be true, but it seems as though you are making excuses for them. You seem to come from the standpoint that its ok to do whatever you want since it is war. Are you saying we cant judge modern day suicide bombers?

I am simply speaking on behalf of these murderd animals. Animals are more pure than humans anyway.

I am simply saying I am glad it failed for these people. And I still stand by every single statement I have made in this thread.

Animals are more pure? I guess that makes rocks even more pure than animals by extension?

Most animals lack the developed cortex for higher thought and thus do not attach any sense of right or wrong to any of their actions. So when an alligator kills someone's only child and causes tremedous emotional trauma to the family - the alligator sees no difference between that act and killing a pitbull that was about to attack the only child. It was hungry and grabs whatever is convienent.

Purity would be more like understanding the impact of all your actions and ALWAYS choosing to act in a way that benefits those around you - even to your detriment - altruism.

Animals generally do not do this. They are simply ignorant, not pure. There are examples of altruistic biological phenomenoms in the animal kingdom - but these are generally evolutionary mechanisms, not concious efforts by individual animals.

People can choose to be "evil" or "good" in general, animals generally do not get beyond figuring out how to eat, sleep, and procreate.