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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 03-29-2011, 03:18 PM
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You all are right. Why should I pay more?

What some just don't seem to get: They bought a russian game. And now they are whining around, stating that the game is in russian? Seems a bit odd.

By the way. I could also rant about a Volkswagen Passat with uber-luxurious features is sold in the US for 30k Dollars, whereas here I'd have to pay 40k Euros.

You bought a Russian game. That's why it is in Russian language. You might have known that at the time you were buying.
I don't think that Westerners, with Russian copies of COD, are whining, so much as they are pointing out a very important point. Here is an industry, exploiting high skilled low cost labor and here is a publisher able to make a profit selling a Russian game for $14. Westerners went out of their way to take advantage of the lowest Global price. If a Russian publisher can access the Western customers, tailor the product to their needs and sell the product at the Russian price point, then customers in the West could enjoy benefits from a Globalized economy: Global free trade hits a home run. This is a great case study for Harvard and is a beautiful exercise in Global free market capitalism.

If Global customers can bypass the intrenched interest of regionalist rich hypocrites, seeking to live like parasites off of cheap Global labor, while passing off unnecessarily hIgh prices to local customers, then we are all better off. If a Russian Publisher can make a profit at a $14 price point, it is only because the Western rich have unrealistically high expectations of what executive pay should be in a globally competitive market and because the US and Europe have sheltered spoiled trust fund babies (needing illegal aliens to wipe their butts) from living in the Globalist dog eat dog World, the remainder of humanity lives through day to day. Right now, in the US, the middle class compete in Globalist screw you land, while the rich live in a comfortable and sheltered regionalist welfare state.

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Old 03-29-2011, 03:23 PM
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I don't think that Westerners, with Russian copies are whining, so much as they are pointing out a very important point. Here is an industry, exploiting high skilled low cost labor and here is a publisher able to make a profit selling a Russian made game for $14. Westerners went out off their way to take advantage of the lowest Global price. If a Russian publisher can access the Westerner customers, tailor the product to their needs and sell the product at the Russian price point; then Global trade hits a home run. This is a great case study or Harvard and is a beautiful exercise in Global free market capitalism.

If Global customers can bypass the intrenched interest of regionalist rich hypocrites, seeking to live like parasites off of cheap Global labor, while passing off high prices to local customers, then we are all better off.
I get the point. You are right. in a way.

Especially in this case, it wasn't like a western Publisher had a concept and was looking for cheap workers in the East and ride their backs to financial success. Merely, it was an opportunity for 1C, dramatically increasing funds on the project and getting way better distribution channels than without UBI.

After all, the word whining was a bit unlucky. What stays the same is the fact that no one who bought a Russian copy and cannot speak Russian should moan about the inability to switch to English. Plus: This time, the western version was localized from Russian, I suppose. Another thing that becomes much easier with the infrastructure you get by working with a big publisher. And localization costs a whole lot of money. Just pretend we're paying for localization

And please keep in mind that 14 Dollars is a bit more money for the average Russian than for a middle class British guy. And this is not about currencies, but about average income.

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Old 03-29-2011, 03:25 PM
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I bought the Russian version,and will get my euro version on Thursday.Thats a win/win for 1c,because they got an extra sale from me.
Me too. And because I was stupid and got them both on the same Steam account I'll probably end up buying another Western one on a seperate account too. I doubt if anyone is going through the hassle of getting to grips with the Russian version because they wanted to save £20 or so, it's all because of the filter and possible visual porking of the sim to meet the Epilepsy issue.
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Old 03-29-2011, 03:45 PM
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Recently Luthier announced that the Russian version, apart from the language ,can be the same as the Western version, so really the only difference is the price. Buy the Russian version now? Live with the Russian language. Otherwise you should've bought the English one.
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Old 03-29-2011, 04:01 PM
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Since the Filter is now going to be optional on the Western version as well this entire issue is now moot.
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:20 PM
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WW2 Combat Flight simulators game development market is a niche market. It means it has few potential customers, and therefore must practice high costs with small profits. We're not talking EA/Activisionlike businesses turning money with the tens of millions in here.

If you don't understand that you need to support a niche market as long as you think it worth and have the means to do it, then you as well are doomed to remain without it.
Ok, you don't get the point. The point was, for instance: I can get newest Geforce card for 300€ in Germany and I can get the same card in my country for 500€. You would buy the card in my country for 500€. The end amount that goes to Nvidia IS THE SAME. If it's not, I take it all back.

And I understand that this is a niche market. Quite well. Those that put up pricing don't.
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:34 PM
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Why the hell would I pay 50e for a game, when I can pay 10e for a game and spend 40e on beer?
I believe we will soon be able to replace russian menu text with english one. That doesn't seem hard.
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:50 PM
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I get the point. You are right. in a way.

Especially in this case, it wasn't like a western Publisher had a concept and was looking for cheap workers in the East and ride their backs to financial success. Merely, it was an opportunity for 1C, dramatically increasing funds on the project and getting way better distribution channels than without UBI.

After all, the word whining was a bit unlucky. What stays the same is the fact that no one who bought a Russian copy and cannot speak Russian should moan about the inability to switch to English. Plus: This time, the western version was localized from Russian, I suppose. Another thing that becomes much easier with the infrastructure you get by working with a big publisher. And localization costs a whole lot of money. Just pretend we're paying for localization

And please keep in mind that 14 Dollars is a bit more money for the average Russian than for a middle class British guy. And this is not about currencies, but about average income.
I really respect that you are conscious of income disparities. In the US, the difference between the incomes and cashflow situations, between the rich and the rest of the US, is enormous. The rich, in the US, take advantage of the low cost labor, found in hard working countries, like Russia. It matters not if the US went looking to make a good or if it was a negative pickup. They get the benefit of the low costs of sourcing from Russia and then they sell the Russian made good or service for many times what the product would sell for in Russia. This hurts American consumers. It, in effect, imposes a, "Rich American Parasite Tax," on imported goods and services.

When 1c sells COD for $14 to US customers, 1c increases the number of uses Americans can apply their scarce disposable incomes. This is very important, considering that corporate America has failed to add high paying careers to the US economy for about 35 years now; make the most of the dollars the workers do have. Selling COD to US customers and other Western customers for $14 helps Russia increase the diversity and amount of potential goods and services Russia can sell Americans. It frees up disposable income of American workers. New US commercial enterprises can access these freed up dollars, potentially creating jobs in the US; jobs the rich spoiled trust fund babies cannot outsource or insource. A win win.

P.S. Also, please remember that income is not a perfect measure of US household prosperity. Cashflow is a much better indicator of present and future financial circumstances for the average US worker. US workers are like little Soviet Unions, facing huge negative cashflows and no or low savings. Six figure debt is not uncommon in the U.S. Many Americans will never be able to retire from work, till the day they die.

Don't believe the propaganda coming from slick talking business people, seeking to use you. The US worker is in bad shape and in debt up to his or her eyeballs; from having waged the Consumer Cold War called, "keeping up with the Jones," not too mention borrowing up to six figures to get an education. Never mind the Americans out of work and there are a lot of Americans out of work, a real lot. Many of the jobs lost in the US will not return and the US Government and corporations do not give two sh-ts about the average American, so long as the billionaires can ride around their limos with no panties and party till dawn. (Hey Paris Hilton!) Any way that Russian companies can help Americans buy goods with dollars they have, rather than dollars they borrow, is a great good thing, for US customers.

P.P.S. Don't get me started on residential and commercial real estate in the U.S. lol

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Old 03-31-2011, 09:22 AM
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I think that this threat is not about money!
The question is simple, can we change the language of the Russian version to English?

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exactly!that was my question not more and not less.thank you.
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Old 03-31-2011, 11:39 AM
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Damn ...The OP asked a simple question "russian version possible one day to have english menus?" He didn't ask anyone for there views on the Global economy or the right or wrong of purchasing a russian game from russia.....Hell for all anyone knows he's an english speaking individual living in russia for business purposes just asking.... To the OP hopefully someone will have a fix soon Good Luck... S~
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