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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 03-29-2011, 04:07 PM
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You all are right. Why should I pay more?

What some just don't seem to get: They bought a russian game. And now they are whining around, stating that the game is in russian? Seems a bit odd.

By the way. I could also rant about a Volkswagen Passat with uber-luxurious features is sold in the US for 30k Dollars, whereas here I'd have to pay 40k Euros.

You bought a Russian game. That's why it is in Russian language. You might have known that at the time you were buying.
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Old 03-29-2011, 04:18 PM
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You all are right. Why should I pay more?

What some just don't seem to get: They bought a russian game. And now they are whining around, stating that the game is in russian? Seems a bit odd.

By the way. I could also rant about a Volkswagen Passat with uber-luxurious features is sold in the US for 30k Dollars, whereas here I'd have to pay 40k Euros.

You bought a Russian game. That's why it is in Russian language. You might have known that at the time you were buying.
I don't think that Westerners, with Russian copies of COD, are whining, so much as they are pointing out a very important point. Here is an industry, exploiting high skilled low cost labor and here is a publisher able to make a profit selling a Russian game for $14. Westerners went out of their way to take advantage of the lowest Global price. If a Russian publisher can access the Western customers, tailor the product to their needs and sell the product at the Russian price point, then customers in the West could enjoy benefits from a Globalized economy: Global free trade hits a home run. This is a great case study for Harvard and is a beautiful exercise in Global free market capitalism.

If Global customers can bypass the intrenched interest of regionalist rich hypocrites, seeking to live like parasites off of cheap Global labor, while passing off unnecessarily hIgh prices to local customers, then we are all better off. If a Russian Publisher can make a profit at a $14 price point, it is only because the Western rich have unrealistically high expectations of what executive pay should be in a globally competitive market and because the US and Europe have sheltered spoiled trust fund babies (needing illegal aliens to wipe their butts) from living in the Globalist dog eat dog World, the remainder of humanity lives through day to day. Right now, in the US, the middle class compete in Globalist screw you land, while the rich live in a comfortable and sheltered regionalist welfare state.

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Old 03-29-2011, 04:23 PM
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I don't think that Westerners, with Russian copies are whining, so much as they are pointing out a very important point. Here is an industry, exploiting high skilled low cost labor and here is a publisher able to make a profit selling a Russian made game for $14. Westerners went out off their way to take advantage of the lowest Global price. If a Russian publisher can access the Westerner customers, tailor the product to their needs and sell the product at the Russian price point; then Global trade hits a home run. This is a great case study or Harvard and is a beautiful exercise in Global free market capitalism.

If Global customers can bypass the intrenched interest of regionalist rich hypocrites, seeking to live like parasites off of cheap Global labor, while passing off high prices to local customers, then we are all better off.
I get the point. You are right. in a way.

Especially in this case, it wasn't like a western Publisher had a concept and was looking for cheap workers in the East and ride their backs to financial success. Merely, it was an opportunity for 1C, dramatically increasing funds on the project and getting way better distribution channels than without UBI.

After all, the word whining was a bit unlucky. What stays the same is the fact that no one who bought a Russian copy and cannot speak Russian should moan about the inability to switch to English. Plus: This time, the western version was localized from Russian, I suppose. Another thing that becomes much easier with the infrastructure you get by working with a big publisher. And localization costs a whole lot of money. Just pretend we're paying for localization

And please keep in mind that 14 Dollars is a bit more money for the average Russian than for a middle class British guy. And this is not about currencies, but about average income.

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Old 03-29-2011, 06:50 PM
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I get the point. You are right. in a way.

Especially in this case, it wasn't like a western Publisher had a concept and was looking for cheap workers in the East and ride their backs to financial success. Merely, it was an opportunity for 1C, dramatically increasing funds on the project and getting way better distribution channels than without UBI.

After all, the word whining was a bit unlucky. What stays the same is the fact that no one who bought a Russian copy and cannot speak Russian should moan about the inability to switch to English. Plus: This time, the western version was localized from Russian, I suppose. Another thing that becomes much easier with the infrastructure you get by working with a big publisher. And localization costs a whole lot of money. Just pretend we're paying for localization

And please keep in mind that 14 Dollars is a bit more money for the average Russian than for a middle class British guy. And this is not about currencies, but about average income.
I really respect that you are conscious of income disparities. In the US, the difference between the incomes and cashflow situations, between the rich and the rest of the US, is enormous. The rich, in the US, take advantage of the low cost labor, found in hard working countries, like Russia. It matters not if the US went looking to make a good or if it was a negative pickup. They get the benefit of the low costs of sourcing from Russia and then they sell the Russian made good or service for many times what the product would sell for in Russia. This hurts American consumers. It, in effect, imposes a, "Rich American Parasite Tax," on imported goods and services.

When 1c sells COD for $14 to US customers, 1c increases the number of uses Americans can apply their scarce disposable incomes. This is very important, considering that corporate America has failed to add high paying careers to the US economy for about 35 years now; make the most of the dollars the workers do have. Selling COD to US customers and other Western customers for $14 helps Russia increase the diversity and amount of potential goods and services Russia can sell Americans. It frees up disposable income of American workers. New US commercial enterprises can access these freed up dollars, potentially creating jobs in the US; jobs the rich spoiled trust fund babies cannot outsource or insource. A win win.

P.S. Also, please remember that income is not a perfect measure of US household prosperity. Cashflow is a much better indicator of present and future financial circumstances for the average US worker. US workers are like little Soviet Unions, facing huge negative cashflows and no or low savings. Six figure debt is not uncommon in the U.S. Many Americans will never be able to retire from work, till the day they die.

Don't believe the propaganda coming from slick talking business people, seeking to use you. The US worker is in bad shape and in debt up to his or her eyeballs; from having waged the Consumer Cold War called, "keeping up with the Jones," not too mention borrowing up to six figures to get an education. Never mind the Americans out of work and there are a lot of Americans out of work, a real lot. Many of the jobs lost in the US will not return and the US Government and corporations do not give two sh-ts about the average American, so long as the billionaires can ride around their limos with no panties and party till dawn. (Hey Paris Hilton!) Any way that Russian companies can help Americans buy goods with dollars they have, rather than dollars they borrow, is a great good thing, for US customers.

P.P.S. Don't get me started on residential and commercial real estate in the U.S. lol

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