Really?

[von Pilsner]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Now, Luthier hasn't even talked about them but i'm not going to ask for it in every single thread: the issues i want fixed are already reported in Insuber's bug report thread and i'm sure as soon as they're done fixing what most of the people ask for, they'll move on to my less popular fixes too.

I only posted in this thread because the SP issues are not in the past as was indicated in the post I quoted originally. I was simply disagreeing with the 90% assessment (and giving a few reasons why I wouldn't call it 90%).

I fully expect them to fix everything eventually.

[Strike]

Originally Posted by tk471138

logical fallacy....

you are a joke...stop trying to use misdirection cuz you have no other argument or point to make....

I'm sorry I upset you, my sincere apologies.

But on topic, really guys. Is all you can do demand demand demand? Like Luthier already kindof said he was looking to hire a community manager. That is another paycheck most likely. Now think about it. Let's say an average pay is 15-20 euros/hour. Now that means 2-3 guys working 1 hour is 1 Retail copy of CloD worth of money. Now take 6 years, time it with let's say 45 weeks (7 weeks for holidays and other forms of leave) and time that with 5 days a week and 8 hours and then think a team of ca 20 people.

20x15Eurox8x5x45x6 yrs with a little give or take that project in ONLY salary costs 3 240 000 Euros. You'd have to sell 64 800 copies of Clod (50E per copy) to match those 6 years of developement. And to top that, a huge piece of the cake per game sold goes to Ubi and 1C.

I know this is a very inaccurate calculation, but really the point is that in their current position I don't really think they can afford hiring a community manager. Or take too many breaks. Yes they all have breaks, but often they are unpaid and you spend them relaxing and gathering energy for the rest of the working day. Besides the point is, Luthier reads the forums more than he posts in it. A good thing if you ask me. Every time he posts a handful of users try to grab hold of him, ask him questions, ask why this and that hasn't been mentioned in the patch... etc etc. I assume it's because they havn't worked it out yet and it's not ready. Simple as that.

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Strike

I'm sorry I upset you, my sincere apologies.

But on topic, really guys. Is all you can do demand demand demand? Like Luthier already kindof said he was looking to hire a community manager. That is another paycheck most likely. Now think about it. Let's say an average pay is 15-20 euros/hour. Now that means 2-3 guys working 1 hour is 1 Retail copy of CloD worth of money. Now take 6 years, time it with let's say 45 weeks (7 weeks for holidays and other forms of leave) and time that with 5 days a week and 8 hours and then think a team of ca 20 people.

20x15Eurox8x5x45x6 yrs with a little give or take that project in ONLY salary costs 3 240 000 Euros. You'd have to sell 64 800 copies of Clod (50E per copy) to match those 6 years of developement. And to top that, a huge piece of the cake per game sold goes to Ubi and 1C.

I know this is a very inaccurate calculation, but really the point is that in their current position I don't really think they can afford hiring a community manager. Or take too many breaks. Yes they all have breaks, but often they are unpaid and you spend them relaxing and gathering energy for the rest of the working day. Besides the point is, Luthier reads the forums more than he posts in it. A good thing if you ask me. Every time he posts a handful of users try to grab hold of him, ask him questions, ask why this and that hasn't been mentioned in the patch... etc etc. I assume it's because they havn't worked it out yet and it's not ready. Simple as that.

i guess as a paying customer we have no rights...


you still didnt post a good reason why they shoundnt at least give us a 5 min update once a week....and not even an update persay, but just a "hey we are here, we are making progress, have a good weekend"

but nope as the ones who effectively pay their salaries, we have no right to expect anything...let alone the product we paid for, in working order...you see most intelligent people want to impress and satisfy their customers...i guess this is a foreign concept for you...

you are nothing but a joke trying to give inadequacy reasons as to why we should not be given short updates from time to time...i guess cuz users might try and latch on to the dev, they shouldnt give updates when in reality they can simply give us a short update and leave it at that...just cuz users try to latch on to you and ask questions dosent mean one is compelled to do so...this should hardly be a reason as to why more frequent updates shouldnt happen

Originally Posted by Strike

I don't know about you, but I paid them so they could WORK, not chat with us.

Well personally I paid them for a finished game, I didn't see anywhere advertised the words 'Work In Progress' when they were punting the game to us. If MG Games had asked for me to invest in the project from day one I would of been happy to do so, but being sold a completely unfinished game however it came about to me is unacceptable, however what is done is done, but I would now expect the Dev's to be doing everything they can to keep me informed as to how they are going to right this wrong.

Promises of community managers that fail to materialise dont cut it either.

The news of the patch is encouraging yes, but its been a long time coming and still does little to appease me at this time for all the deliberate misinformation they fed us with during development. "They are working hard to fix the game", well they bloody well should be.