Weather/Terrain effects. Surely this is the minimum we expect for CloD or the Sequel

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

Shame you never experienced the Graphics and weather effects shown in the video above.

I did experience them. I still removed the game from my computer.

[SiThSpAwN]

While I tend to agree that more could and should be done with weather in CloD and future titles, I still have to remind people that map area does play a large part of what can be done with reasonable quality. This isnt an excuse for the devs, but comparing games that dont render the same square mileage probably isnt fair (not to mention other things going on under the hood)... now here is a really crappy ILS landing by me in A-10... these graphics are somewhat dated by what we have in CloD... but you get the idea right... weather shouldnt be given up on, but they also are not just something they can plunk in...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mRsrPLO7BQ

SO in closing... I sorta agree... but not quite

[Mysticpuma]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

It's difficult to sit on the wall here because we can all see that CloD has potential. Reading the latest posts though it appears that CloD will only be fixed as best they can, as the Sequel is now the priority. There is to be no more development for CloD, what you have is what you'll get...other than fixes to broken bits.

Graphically I have always been irritated by IL2: 1946 and CloD due to the draw distances or should I say management of draw distances.

I hate the fact buildings appear like popcorn even when settings are tweaked through the full-range from low to high amounts and similar on texture settings. I don;t know why this hasn't or can't be fixed as there is nothing worse than flying low over the deck only to see the landscape 'literally' being drawn in front of you.

The promise of Weather, new clouds....effectively atmosphere that immerses you in the environment you are flying in, effectively destroys the illusion of Britain. Weather in Britain can be miserable with days being lost to rain.

The British campaign should at-least have had the Hurricane or Spitfire sat on a runway as rain falls and a low overcast hangs overhead.

The Aircraft takes off, breaks through the overcast into sunlight and a blanket of cloud is laid out below making retreating enemy easy to spot.

Dogfights ensue, dancing above and below the cloud cover....this is BoB??

The least we should expect is this (link below)

Now I know many will bleat...Arcade! So-what? I am not talking about gameplay...I'm talking GRAPHICS!!!

I'm all for the detail we get in the aircraft, I'm all for the attention to detail of the 'fixed' FM and DM...they are incredible, that's what CloD (sorry IL2) is renowned for. Please make CloD as accurate as that.

However just throw away the landscape, terrain and cloud models. Give us atmosphere. Give us rain, cloud layers...give us immersion!

This weather is the least we should expect of CloD and anyone who says that this weather and cloud detail is 'rubbish' in this video, really is a Fanboy of Fanboy's!

I don't want pop up, I don't want pop up clouds, ground, buildings, trees...I just want a basic, simple level of weather that this 'Arcade' game creates easily and successfully:

MP

Okay so this was the original post.

Weather effects:

2m and 05 Seconds........now that's a thick overcast...that is not a layer of see-through blobs that pop-up everywhere...that's a thick solid layer of cloud!

4m and 59 Seconds.....Diving through that solid layer of overcast to see what is beneath the clouds. I have never seen an overcast sky portrayed this well in any flight sim.

and yes Weather/rain/clouds is part of the main simulation experience I would expect from any flight simulation as it could make the difference between losing a chasing enemy or not seeing them at-all.

Weather needs to be this good if not in CloD then at-least the Sequel?!

[DK-nme]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

Okay so this was the original post.

Weather effects:

2m and 05 Seconds........now that's a thick overcast...that is not a layer of see-through blobs that pop-up everywhere...that's a thick solid layer of cloud!

4m and 59 Seconds.....Diving through that solid layer of overcast to see what is beneath the clouds. I have never seen an overcast sky portrayed this well in any flight sim.

and yes Weather/rain/clouds is part of the main simulation experience I would expect from any flight simulation as it could make the difference between losing a chasing enemy or not seeing them at-all.

Weather needs to be this good if not in CloD then at-least the Sequel?!

Hi Mystic.

I have always enjoyed Your work (flight-sim videos and more). That game, You just showed us, is super immersive, and I have it for the same reason. Arcade or not, it has the best ground & sky graphics ever seen in any flight sim.
To me, CloD seems no where near finished (nor even half finished) and it seems to me, to be a mere halfhearted attemt to update the original il-2 game. And having followed this games development and progression (CloD that is) for almost 7 years now, the missing immersion factors (the game already being outdated by lesser games) in fact sadness me...

DK-nme

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

Weather needs to be this good if not in CloD then at-least the Sequel?!

Did you completely miss the part where they said they were working on dynamic weather? They obviously understand the importance. However, that does not mean that it's possible at the moment. It may not even be possible for BoM. That does not mean that they don't want to include it.

[David Hayward]

By the way, Wings of Puke could have the best clouds ever rendered and it would still suck.

Originally Posted by David Hayward

By the way, Wings of Puke could have the best clouds ever rendered and it would still suck.

Jeez David, you sound like a young child in the playground, this is a discussion about weather effects, there is no 'right' or 'wrong', take a step back and have another look at your post.

[Mysticpuma]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

It may not even be possible for BoM. That does not mean that they don't want to include it.

But it is possible in "Wings of Puke" to quote you. Should I refer to this as "Crap of Dover"? I think not. That would lower myself to your level of immaturity on the point.

I fail to see why you are so blinkered by this 'Simulation' where others are actually achieving what this should easily be capable of?

Why the need to dismiss a piece of software that has actually made use of it's developer's talents and actually created an immersive environment?

David I just don't understand your need to be antagonistic when a point is raised that you disagree with?

Surely someone with any degree of ability would reply in a more mature way?

Why not just say that you installed "Wings of prey" but just didn't like it....and leave it at that? Instead of you go with the inane, immature rant about a pice of software that actually works...at full resolution on low-end systems and has working weather effects?

Nope, here goes David again hijacking the thread so that rather than actually have an opinion on THE EFFECTS mentioned we have to have David's moral high ground that "how dare we compare any effects in any other game to what we have in Cliffs of Dover (see I used the correct name out of respect...it was easy to do you know!) as they must surely be inferior!"

Sorry David....head out of the sand time please.

This thread is about what you actually see in the video. Not the game....the effect! A layer of opaque cloud that you can fly above and below....total immersion!

MP

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

But it is possible in "Wings of Puke" to quote you.

So what? Wings of Puke is an arcade game running on postage stamp sized maps. Modelling weather on a small map requires considerably different resources from a map that covers a large section of France and England. That seems like it should be pretty obvious.

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

David I just don't understand your need to be antagonistic

There was nothing antagonistic about my response. You complained about the weather. I explained that they obviously also considered it to be an important feature. How is that antagonistic?

[priller26]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

It's difficult to sit on the wall here because we can all see that CloD has potential. Reading the latest posts though it appears that CloD will only be fixed as best they can, as the Sequel is now the priority. There is to be no more development for CloD, what you have is what you'll get...other than fixes to broken bits.

Graphically I have always been irritated by IL2: 1946 and CloD due to the draw distances or should I say management of draw distances.

I hate the fact buildings appear like popcorn even when settings are tweaked through the full-range from low to high amounts and similar on texture settings. I don;t know why this hasn't or can't be fixed as there is nothing worse than flying low over the deck only to see the landscape 'literally' being drawn in front of you.

The promise of Weather, new clouds....effectively atmosphere that immerses you in the environment you are flying in, effectively destroys the illusion of Britain. Weather in Britain can be miserable with days being lost to rain.

The British campaign should at-least have had the Hurricane or Spitfire sat on a runway as rain falls and a low overcast hangs overhead.

The Aircraft takes off, breaks through the overcast into sunlight and a blanket of cloud is laid out below making retreating enemy easy to spot.

Dogfights ensue, dancing above and below the cloud cover....this is BoB??

The least we should expect is this (link below)

Now I know many will bleat...Arcade! So-what? I am not talking about gameplay...I'm talking GRAPHICS!!!

I'm all for the detail we get in the aircraft, I'm all for the attention to detail of the 'fixed' FM and DM...they are incredible, that's what CloD (sorry IL2) is renowned for. Please make CloD as accurate as that.

However just throw away the landscape, terrain and cloud models. Give us atmosphere. Give us rain, cloud layers...give us immersion!

This weather is the least we should expect of CloD and anyone who says that this weather and cloud detail is 'rubbish' in this video, really is a Fanboy of Fanboy's!

I don't want pop up, I don't want pop up clouds, ground, buildings, trees...I just want a basic, simple level of weather that this 'Arcade' game creates easily and successfully:

MP

I think I'll be reinstalling this game, it works. I cant' deal at the moment with the zoom flicker on Clod in dog fights...fix one thing, break another, Clod has been out so long its ridiculous that its still in this state.