4.12 development update discussion and feedback

[DuxCorvan]

Originally Posted by Lagarto

All the more because, contrary to popular belief, there was quite a lot of "shooting back" in the air over Poland in September 1939. The Luftwaffe lost some 250 aircraft by the month's end, including some 170 shot down by Polish fighters.
However, it would take more than a map to reenact this. More aircraft like PZL.23 Karas and PZL.37 Los. On the other hand, the two would come in handy for Bessarabian scenarios since they were later flown by Romanians against the Soviet Union.
Also, it would take some more German types, which have been banned so far, like Do-17 and early Bf 109E variants. Hs 126 would be great, too.

The P.11, on the other side, though really being a "cr*pplane" by 1939 most advanced standards, was still rather capable and rough, and is in fact quite undermodeled in Il-2, basically because no one has put a finger on it (nor its awful-looking cockpit) since it was put into the game, and I think it's a pity.

[JtD]

The external model and the flight model of the P.11 were updated I think with one of the last two patches.

[ElAurens]

The P.11 points out the rapid change in aircraft technology between the wars really well.

In 1933 it was one of the two or three best fighter aircraft on the planet. Six years later it was totally obsolete.

I have not flown it in a long while, but I always liked it. We had a blast with it when it was first introduced to the sim.

[1984]

if i'm not mistaken, in 39 p11s has lower performance because were old, so, interesting, this was included in fix or not...


and custom quote about fw-189 at soviet-german front in 43 (few emotionally, and, i think, mainly based on other people's stories, but in total consistent with other views) - Zaharov -

А весной сорок третьего года немцы вели интенсивную авиаразведку нашего переднего края, глубоких тылов.

...беспрерывно висели над передним краем "фокке-вульфы". За двойной фюзеляж наши бойцы ФВ-189 прозвали "рамой".

Ненавидели "раму" люто — больше, чем любой другой немецкий самолет. Когда она висела над траншеями, некуда было деваться от точного артиллерийского огня. И просьбы командиров сухопутных частей в это время сводились чаще всего к одной: "Сбейте "раму"!.."

Между тем сбить "раму" было не очень просто (here skip interesting details)...

В общем, мы немало поломали голову, вырабатывая методы борьбы с "рамой".

[Pershing]

Originally Posted by 1984

А весной сорок третьего года немцы вели интенсивную авиаразведку нашего переднего края, глубоких тылов.

...беспрерывно висели над передним краем "фокке-вульфы". За двойной фюзеляж наши бойцы ФВ-189 прозвали "рамой".

Ненавидели "раму" люто — больше, чем любой другой немецкий самолет. Когда она висела над траншеями, некуда было деваться от точного артиллерийского огня. И просьбы командиров сухопутных частей в это время сводились чаще всего к одной: "Сбейте "раму"!.."

Между тем сбить "раму" было не очень просто (here skip interesting details)...

В общем, мы немало поломали голову, вырабатывая методы борьбы с "рамой".

Let me try to translate to English:

"In spring of 1943 the germans do intensieve aerial reconnaissance of our positions and heartlands
...fokke-wulfs hung over our position constantly. Because of double fuzelage our soldiers calls them "frame" ("rama").
They hate "frame" fiercely - more then any other german plane. There was no place to hide from artillery fire when it was over trenches. So all ground's commanders requests were - "Shoot down the frame!"
By the way, shooting down a "frame" was a difficult task...
So we thought very hard to make "anti-frame" technique.. "

By the way, I've noticed that shooting down FW-189 in the game is very simple..

[302_Corsair]

Originally Posted by Pershing

By the way, I've noticed that getting down FW-189 in the game is very simple..

Did you use Makarov or ppsh?

[Pershing]

Originally Posted by 302_Corsair

Did you use Makarov or ppsh?

Nope. I used ТТ.