Man Made Global Warming

[Walshy]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

That is complete nonsense.

Eh .............. em ................... what?? Once again I'll post this .........

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08...mate_heresies/

"British-born physicist Freeman Dyson has revealed three "heresies", two of which challenge the current scientific orthodoxy that anthropogenic carbon causes climate change.

"The fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated," writes Dyson in his new book Many Colored Glass: Reflections on the Place of Life in the Universe, published on Wednesday.





He pours scorn on "the holy brotherhood of climate model experts and the crowd of deluded citizens who believe the numbers predicted by the computer models".

"I have studied the climate models and I know what they can do. The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics, and they do a very good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry, and the biology of fields and farms and forests," writes Dyson.

Biomass holds the key to carbon, he writes - leaving us to infer that he thinks the human contribution is negligible. Overall, Dyson issues a plea for more scientific research into the behaviour of the planet's biomass."

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Walshy

Eh .............. em ................... what?? Once again I'll post this .........

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08...mate_heresies/

You can post it all you want, it does not change the fact that he is a propaganda spewing idiot.

[AndyJWest]

Walshy, Dyson himself has made perfectly clear that he is no sort of specialist in the subject: " I am not an expert, and that’s not going to change. I am not going to make myself an expert". http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2151

[Walshy]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

You can post it all you want, it does not change the fact that he is a propaganda spewing idiot.

What????? He's a world renowned physicist???? And has more understanding of mathematics and numbers than I could imagine??? A propaganda spewing idiot???? What colour is the sky on your planet mate, as you don't seem to be on mine??

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

First of all, there is no definitive model.

Second of all, that isn't how science works. They don't just ignore important factors when trying to figure out what is happening.

The statement was complete b****** on every level.

No definative model? We were talking about taking into consideration as many factors as possible. They have ignore relevant factors, thats the whole point!

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

You can post it all you want, it does not change the fact that he is a propaganda spewing idiot.

: don't think Dyson is an idiot. He is wrong - but he says that he knows little about the subject anyway. The 'propaganda spewing idiots' are those who chose to misrepresent him to push their agendas.

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

No definative model? We were talking about taking into consideration as many factors as possible. They have ignore relevant factors, thats the whole point!

And you know this how?

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

It's funny watching people on the internet saying that we should ignore scientists.

The majority of people who deny the evidence of climate change are usually not educated in science. Yet these peoples lives are in the hands of scientists which they dont realize. Who made there computers, refridgerators, flat screen TV's?
Guess who SCIENTISTS. Everything that people use daily is becasue of science.
If they dont want to believe in science then they should go back and live like cavemen. Science is what will save our race if the ignorant hillbillys just get out of the way and stop obstructing.

FYI, I am a "scientist" (chemist by trade).

[Walshy]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Walshy, Dyson himself has made perfectly clear that he is no sort of specialist in the subject: " I am not an expert, and that’s not going to change. I am not going to make myself an expert". http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2151

Yes Andy off course I know that but he has an expertise in phyics and mathematics, and if he says the models aren't right well I'll listen to him, and if I was studying the climate I'd listen to his advice to get the computer model right ...................

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Walshy

What????? He's a world renowned physicist????

So what? Why should I give a crap what a physicist has to say about climatology?