Anyone remember a sim that divided us as much as COD?

[Force10]

Originally Posted by FG28_Kodiak

Its not broken, it was published at least one year too early. The problems of the sim have all to do with it's unfinished state.

And why we are divided by these fact? There is a group saying "Ok the game is unfinished, but it will completed by future patches" and there is another group "Ah my money it will never be fixed, all of the devs are loosers".
I am a member of the first group , but i can understand the second group, also. But why must i read the same endless worthless discussions in every thread, mostly from the same people. Thats annoying.

Gee...we can't tell what camp your in by your completley unbiased portrayal of the facts.

Seriously, picture this: Imagine if every single game you bought you paid $50 for, then had to stick it on the shelf for a year. Would you really be happy not being able to play your games a year after purchase? That's how it is for us offline flyers. The AI is so porked it's not even playable. It doesn't have to be perfect or bug free, just playable and it's not.

That's what's happening here. Yes, we all know it was released a year to early and they needed our money to continue. The thing is, we're gamers not loan officers. It's made worse by the fact that we didn't realize we were in the loan business until much later.

[ATAG_Bliss]

The sky is falling.. Watch out!

[FG28_Kodiak]

Originally Posted by Force10

Seriously, picture this: Imagine if every single game you bought you paid $50 for, then had to stick it on the shelf for a year. Would you really be happy not being able to play your games a year after purchase? That's how it is for us offline flyers. The AI is so porked it's not even playable. It doesn't have to be perfect or bug free, just playable and it's not.

That's what's happening here. Yes, we all know it was released a year to early and they needed our money to continue. The thing is, we're gamers not loan officers. It's made worse by the fact that we didn't realize we were in the loan business until much later.

Hm i bought 5 Copies. 5*45 = €225.-.
Hm i also fly offline a lot. But i can script and i build a lot of test missions so the AI if you know how to handle is not such great problem.

But again we have a neverending worthless discussion about facts every know.

[Verhängnis]

Yeh problem is not everyone has knowledge in the scripting and coding areas, nor do they want to have to do it anyway...

[cebit]

EVE online.
A MMO i been playing since mid 08 paralell with IL-2 46, last summer had a riot of it's subscriber base regarding a new expansion in the spring of 2011 (wich are all free btw,but game is sub based).
The developers announced that they would be concentrating development on the "in station" things instead of the main "flying in space" part of it for a while.

Went much deeper than that, but resulted in mass rioting both ingame and outof it. Ingame thousands of players gathered and started shooting at a monument in pure protest.
Long story short, the playerbase saw no other option for stating their oppinion and get the game back on track and get the developers to stop just adding new shiny things and start working on repairing features that have been ruining gameplay for years than voting with their wallets showing their discontent with game direction and future plans.

http://http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/11/16/eve-online-monument-commemorates-the-summer-riots/ Will just post a link to massively.com, wich for the interested can lead to propper pages to read for those interested.
Man those were some intense months
BTW: Not a sim, totally missed the main point :-S Still interesting to see how CCP (the developer) quickly changed course as soon as playerbase started voting with their wallets.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Force10

Gee...we can't tell what camp your in by your completley unbiased portrayal of the facts.

Seriously, picture this: Imagine if every single game you bought you paid $50 for, then had to stick it on the shelf for a year. Would you really be happy not being able to play your games a year after purchase? That's how it is for us offline flyers. The AI is so porked it's not even playable. It doesn't have to be perfect or bug free, just playable and it's not.

That's what's happening here. Yes, we all know it was released a year to early and they needed our money to continue. The thing is, we're gamers not loan officers. It's made worse by the fact that we didn't realize we were in the loan business until much later.

Gee...we can't tell what camp your in by your completley unbiased response to his statement.

DCS made People (me included) pre-order A-10 a year before it was completed before they 'allowed' them to download their beta. What is the difference there? Did I feel disgruntiled? No Way!

We in the west had a couple of weeks of Russion reviews of COD before it was released. I like 'most' other WWII combat flight sim enthusiasts reflected upon that before we bought the sim. 'We' made tha call that it was worth putting up with the problems to get on 'our' hands on the sim early. I for one have no regrets.

Hey a 'lot' of people bought the Russian release version (wasn't it US$17.00 or something like that?) That was their call. 'Most' said it was worth it to get their hands on it a week or so before the rest of us.

If you are dissatisfied about your purchace, I'ld suggest you move on to bigger ande better things. life is just too short! You never know in the (near?) future a patch may come along that matches the game up with you expectations of a good sim. If that happened then there is nothing stopping you from reloading it on you PC and enjoying the experience. But if it doesn't then you haven't wasted your time.

Cheers!

[Ze-Jamz]

Tiger, I think the point is being 'told' its still WIP would of made things easier for everyone to stomach..You Pre-ordered yes but thats a pre-order and delays is part of the package when it comes to pre-orders..

I am tiered like you of reading the same sh** in here but one things for sure..IF they sold it as WIP, Beta whatever then it would of stopped a lot of the BS that's being flying around here for the last 12 months over and over again, would they of got as much £££? probably not but it wouldn't of damaged 1c's rep as much as it has by means of the community,reviews etc etc.

When i first started flying this game I remember being on comms with a squad mate and I loved how it looked just wasn't happy that i had to turn a lot of settings down (pre-upgrade) but evidently it wasn't JUST my pc...

Oh the confusion here in regards to GfX setups, specs and people going out and spending big £££ on upgrades, should they of? who gives a f** its what some of us do, were inpatient or at least I know I am.

More honest info at the start would of worked wonders, some peeps here would argue we were never 'told' it was finished but that's their call..i know what I took from this game being released

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

I am tiered like you of reading the same sh** in here but one things for sure..IF they sold it as WIP, Beta whatever then it would of stopped a lot of the BS that's being flying around here for the last 12 months over and over again, would they of got as much £££? probably not but it wouldn't of damaged 1c's rep as much as it has by means of the community,reviews etc etc.

100% agree with you here!

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

I am tiered like you of reading the same sh** in here but one things for sure..IF they sold it as WIP, Beta whatever then it would of stopped a lot of the BS that's being flying around here for the last 12 months over and over again, would they of got as much £££? probably not but it wouldn't of damaged 1c's rep as much as it has by means of the community,reviews etc etc.

Wasn`t that Ubi that forced the release? Why do you blame 1c for every single problem in the world?

[tintifaxl]

Originally Posted by carguy_

... Why do you blame 1c for every single problem in the world?

No one does that, carguy.