Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

that just goes back to the; you don't own the software, you have a license to run the software.

we'd only have to trust and take you at word on that one...

I don't bought anything from NP.

I run IL-2 1946 - that I bought - and Freetrack - free.

Freetrack don't use NP software to do the HT. Freetrack uses the data format of TIR to stream data to IL-2 1946.

You, W-R, as NP, have SEVERE problems to keep this "hack" talking! Is really fun to see!

[Wolf_Rider]

you know full well FT uses NP software

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

you know full well FT uses NP software

Besides the old unnencrypted interface? No, FT don't use NP software! And even that don't qualify use of "NP software"...

And YOU know full well, loser. Pathetic NP employee...

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Besides the old unnencrypted interface? No, FT don't use NP software! And even that don't qualify use of "NP software"...

And YOU know full well, loser. Pathetic NP employee...

Running again, liar?

[Wolf_Rider]

@ LoBi...
you're getting pretty hard up, when you have to quote yourself, LoBi... is this what you're going to do the next while? just quote yourself??

Originally Posted by David603

Understanding the law and opinion of what is right and wrong may differ. Can you honestly say your opinion of right and wrong and your understanding of the law are 100% compatible? If yes, you would find it impossible to live in the US, where each state has its own laws, or where I do in Scotland which has its own legal system separate from the rest of the UK.

furphy

Originally Posted by David603

Well, yes, part of my understanding of atheism is that there is no intrinsic right and wrong, so I would not hold up the conscience as being anything other than an indicator of contextually suitable behaviour. As such, if the conscience if not infallible, your conscience probably differs from mine, and if conscience is nothing more than a result of your culture and upbringing then there is no reason why it cannot be selectively examined.

And yes, I'm aware this could be used to justify to your conscience more or less anything, but my conscience is probably very close in values to for example a Christian's, barring of course that I don't believe in the Bible as the infallible word of God.

sorry, I don't do "god" conversations and as such, they have no place in this thread

Originally Posted by David603

However, we are going way off topic here, so lets drop the discussion of conscience and

nooo... you were going off topic

Originally Posted by David603

stick to discussing whether it is legal for FT to use the open version of the NP interface.

that would be nice, except, your "legal understandings" and your "conscience" would seem to preclude that... besides which, all the arguments are contained between posts 1 ~ current.

[Sven]

Take cover! Handbags flying around!

[TheGrunch]

*sigh* It's pretty obvious that this guy has some kind of connection to NP, even if it's just via a relative or something, this degree of devotion to any piece of software is just ludicrous.
I still haven't seen a convincing argument that the use of an NP data format to provide data to the Il-2 program is illegal. Strikes me that it doesn't say anywhere in the Il-2 user license that providing data to the NP interface provided within Il-2 via an alternative method is illegal, nor is there any requirement to agree to any NP license in order to use the software which might include this provision. I wonder if he also thinks that programs like Foxit PDF reader or OpenOffice are illegal.
Basically, don't even bother, guys. Last time I had any conversation with this guy about TIR he went so low as to edit his previous posts after I had made my reply to them to make my posts seem less valid. It was very effective until you realised that every time he replied with "OMG WHAT'R E YOU TALKGING OBOUT GRUNCH!?!!!11", his previous post had a last edit time later than my reply did.

LoBi, I don't think you're exactly helping the discussion at this point...

[David603]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

furphy

Since you are sticking to a (attempted) legalistic interpretation of right and wrong in an argument that has not proved of sufficient merit to reach a courtroom, its a valid question. Which, once again, you won't answer.

sorry, I don't do "god" conversations and as such, they have no place in this thread

Yeah, beats me why I brought that up either. My fault for introducing conscience to a discussion when I myself don't believe it has an intrinsic value.

nooo... you were going off topic

Yup^^ That was me.

... besides which, all the arguments are contained between posts 1 ~ current.

And yet no agreement has been reached. Discussion/argument ongoing.

However, since the only reason why I joined this conversation was that I was interested to see if you might have motives for defending a situation with no apparent profit to yourelf, other than you having a personal connection to NP, and you seem to have no intention of explaining what these other motives might be, Adiós

[Extreme_One]

WR I'm curious, perhaps all along you have been agreeing with those that are requesting native Freetrack support?

You clearly have a problem with FT making use of ("hacking") NP's interface.

OK, fine, but the reason the present situation exists is that there is currently no alternative for those that can't or won't buy NP hardware but still wish to "head track" in-game.

Would you still have a problem with people using FT if game developers supported FT's own .dll without FT having to resort to using TrackiR's interface?

eg. in 1L2FB1946 we could have something like the following in config.ini

trackIRUse=0
FreetrackUse=1

Would you still object to this?


BTW my TIR is in the post on it's way to me so I am not as biased against NP as you might have originally suspected.