Was Oleg Maddox too far ahead of his time?

[nearmiss]

Lessons are never learned when egos get in the way. The most successful MSFT air combat simulation game was CFS2, not the CFS1 or CFS3. CFS2 and the Pacific IL2 are the most successful releases for both companies. What is so hard to understand about that?

The Battle of Britain was a loser for Rowan and he just yielded up the code for it to the community. The Korean war by Rowan was a loser as well and he gave up that code as well.

The best war theatre is the Pacific war, because it had huge variations in aircraft, carrier operations and the scenery was awesome. Gaijin did some things Pacific, but it was just arcade stuff and no one goes for that.

Anyone taking on another European Front will just learn the same things over again. Sadly, if you really consider the Battle of Stalingrad it was a depressing battle, there were limited early war aircraft, the weather and scenery were awful. The battles and engagements were boring as well.

This is free advice, but we all know free advice is worthless and paid for advice rarely heeded. The only thing that seems to matter to the those who produce games, especially air combat games is the devs egotistical imperatives. It seems, all we get in the end is excuses for predictable subsequent failures.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

I hope they succeed. I like that they are starting small and intending to build upon it from there. RoF development has had a remarkably clear trajectory since 777 took over from NeoQB, and as long as this community does not try to murder it before its begun, I expect BoS will enjoy a similar progression. Modern simulations are becoming so complex that study-sims and the strategy of incremental builds are the only sensible way to go.

Why not start in the Med. theater? It seems a natural progression for the ROF crowd. They can fly the Italian CR ,and Gladiator and get their Bi-Wing fix. Diversify the missions to include the interdiction of shipping. Appeal to the RAF,US, Italian, German AUS.NZ,and South African interests broaden the customer base etc.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

Why not start in the Med. theater? It seems a natural progression for the ROF crowd. They can fly the Italian CR ,and Gladiator and get their Bi-Wing fix. Diversify the missions to include the interdiction of shipping. Appeal to the RAF,US, Italian, German AUS.NZ,and South African interests broaden the customer base etc.

If the COD code is released it should be a natural progression, since the scenery in the Mediterranean, Malta and Southern Italy are beautiful. The northern areas of Africa would be a real changeup as well. There were plenty of engagements over water and along the coastlines during the Mediterranean battles.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Lessons are never learned when egos get in the way. The most successful MSFT air combat simulation game was CFS2, not the CFS1 or CFS3. CFS2 and the Pacific IL2 are the most successful releases for either company. What is so hard to understand about that?

The Battle of Britain was a loser for Rowan and he just yielded up the code for it to the community. The Korean war by Rowan was a loser as well and he gave up that code as well.

The best war theatre is the Pacific war, because it had huge variations in aircraft, carrier operations and the scenery was awesome. Gaijin did some things Pacific, but it was just arcade stuff and no one goes for that.

Anyone taking on another European Front will just learn the same things over again. Sadly, if you really consider the Battle of Stalingrad it was a depressing battle, there were limited early war aircraft, the weather and scenery were awful. The battles and engagements were boring as well.

This is free advice, but we all know free advice is worthless and paid for advice rarely heeded. The only thing that seems to matter to the those who produce games, especially air combat games is the devs egotistical imperatives. All we get in the end is excuses for predictable subsequent failures.

Very well said! Instead of a business proposition it becomes egotistical drive fueled by some twisted sense of National pride.

Hell you could make a non combat sim in the Pacific that would be exponentially more interesting than any air battle in the East. I had more fun and excitment trying to navigate to my carrier in foul weather as darkness was closing in with my fuel gage on empty. Wondering if I had enough fuel to swing around for a second pass ,assuming my aircraft carrier was still afloat and not burning. Hoping the pilot before me did not mess the flight deck up with a poor landing. Always looking over my shoulder as I heard my ships AAA fire up hoping the were not trying to shoot someone off my tail. There was always a rush, no matter how many times you you flipped your dive bomber over and saw the huge Battleship or carrier fill up your sight.

Instead lets rush off to make some boring mundane russian sceanery and cover it with snow for a little more monotony.So I can fly my disposable under armed, under powered, slow russian aircraft with a thimble full of fuel thru the weeds . Assuming the adhere to historical accuracy, looking thru my yellowed windscreen, flying with the canopy open to cool down the overheated cockpit reaching for a rag to clean the perputully leaking oil off my googles.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

If the COD code is released it should be a natural progression, since the scenery in the Mediterranean, Malta and Southern Italy are beautiful. The northern areas of Africa would be a real changeup as well. There were plenty of engagements over water and along the coastlines during the Mediterranean battles.

Would this be accomplished by third party? I thought the best looking maps in IL-2 were made by third party contributors. The Solomon's and Romania/Moldovia

[ElAurens]

1C will NEVER release the CloD code.

Why would they step on the toes of their own new development?

You lot have to get over it.

It's a dead duck.

Also, it's good to remember that 1C's primary, and most profitable market is Russia. Playing to thier home crowd makes very good economic and political sense.

Why not wait and see how things go instead of pushing the Pacific again?
You realize that the NG agreement is still in force so 1C has no incentive to go to the Pacific?

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

1C will NEVER release the CloD code.

Why would they step on the toes of their own new development?

You lot have to get over it.

It's a dead duck.

Also, it's good to remember that 1C's primary, and most profitable market is Russia. Playing to thier home crowd makes very good economic and political sense.

Why not wait and see how things go instead of pushing the Pacific again?
You realize that the NG agreement is still in force so 1C has no incentive to go to the Pacific?

Selling more units would imply, more profitabilty. They would clearly sell more units of a globally appealling title. 777 can negotiate with NG regarding copyright infringments they are the Parent company , are they not?
As far as the pushing the Pacific, history has a way of repeating itself, for the good or otherwise. BOS is BOB covered in snow.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

As far as the pushing the Pacific, history has a way of repeating itself, for the good or otherwise. BOS is BOB covered in snow.

yes, history does have a way of repeating itself...
It has been remarked that the most popular sim was CFS2 and what with long time fans seeking an upgrade to that, by way of better scenery and working online bombs, we got CFS3 (back to part of Europe[CFS1], which fell over. CFS2, was a Theatre of Operations.

After MG released Pacific Fighters, the PTO (now, the 'Theatre of Operations is the important bit) was immensly popular. We didn't get The Battle of the Coral Sea, or The Battle for Midway, or The Battle for this beach or The Battle for that Island... we got a Theatre of Operations (albeit with some limitations, like not enough of the northwest).

BoB (cod) was a battle, BoS was a battle... WWII was The Western front, The Eastern Front, The Mediterranean and The Pacific.

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

As far as the pushing the Pacific, history has a way of repeating itself, for the good or otherwise. BOS is BOB covered in snow.

and the pacific was covered in popularity by users

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

Selling more units would imply, more profitabilty. They would clearly sell more units of a globally appealling title. 777 can negotiate with NG regarding copyright infringments they are the Parent company , are they not?
As far as the pushing the Pacific, history has a way of repeating itself, for the good or otherwise. BOS is BOB covered in snow.

Pacific would not be a so globally appealing title as you think. Sure, US users would be crazy about it, but US is not a whole world, and if you take decreased attention span of current user base, Pacific might be unpopular even in US as it would cover large, monotonic areas (lots of water), include lots of IFR flying, and have low average target density. Player has to be either a hardcore simmer or be driven by national pride to enjoy that, and this does make PTO risky for the beginning of series.

[furbs]

If the BOS is a success, i can see a PTO in its future...right after the MED. i hope.

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