I-153: cheap or not?

[Ghillied raptor]

Originally Posted by InfiniteStates

Errr...yes. OK.


It turns faster because it has 2 sets of wings (hence the name bi[nary]-plane) which gives it (almost) double lift. So when it puts it's wingtip to Earth all that lift converts to turning ability.


You're missing the point - we all know how to defeat it. But it's boring. And it's rare that the majority of players will adopt an anti-153 style and will instead ignore it and go about their turning fights. Which means the 153 just picks people off. Hence, cheap.

BNZ tactics aren't all that bad, it doesn't take very long to disengage and gain some altitude before re-engaging.I'm not so sure about you guys but I get a kick from doing this- I can spend 20-ish minutes stalking a single enemy and not get bored.I find entering a turning battle is very boring and often deadly(for me),I usually leave the fight with more holes than swiss cheese.

[InfiniteStates]

That's all well and good if you don't want to win the match. But guys just engaging in turning battles will get more kills per minute than you.

[f1rebrand]

OK I'm beginning to understand why Shadowcorp advised me to change planes in TB. I didn't realise it was cheap.

RATMAN was giving me a lot of mic abuse when I downed him a couple of times using the I-153.

Ok what would you guys recommend for TB and Dogfight noob? Care to share?

[David603]

Originally Posted by f1rebrand

OK I'm beginning to understand why Shadowcorp advised me to change planes in TB. I didn't realise it was cheap.

RATMAN was giving me a lot of mic abuse when I downed him a couple of times using the I-153.

Ok what would you guys recommend for TB and Dogfight noob? Care to share?

If you want to change planes, the Spitfire IX (or XVI), the La7, and the Yak-3 are all excellent dogfighters that can be flown successfully by players with any level of experience, so take your pick.

Helps with the Spitfires and Yak-3 if you turn down the elevator sensitivity a bit for Realistic or Sim, but you can't really go wrong with any of these aircraft.

[Shadowcorp]

f1rebrand this is all conjecture, and at the risk of sounding like a hipocrit fly whatever you damn well please.
Yes in arcade it can easily be said the 153 is cheap mainly by those who don't fly them (myself for one). To suit the style of flight your used to i would suggest an i16 or a hurricane mkII.
But it is ultimatly your choice. An i153 will cause you to be the focus of any experienced teams tactics, that would not be a game you would enjoy and your death would far out number your kills

[winny]

Originally Posted by f1rebrand

OK I'm beginning to understand why Shadowcorp advised me to change planes in TB. I didn't realise it was cheap.

RATMAN was giving me a lot of mic abuse when I downed him a couple of times using the I-153.

Ok what would you guys recommend for TB and Dogfight noob? Care to share?

Dont worry about RATMAN.. He shouts at everyone.. It's part of his charm.

And please fly what you like... I noticed last night that you switched to 153 after everyone else had gone green.. That won't win you any friends. And was the main reason I spent the whole game trying to kill you.. (b4 you quit that is)

I used to fly the Type 24 a lot and got abuse for it, I now fly spitfires mainly, not because of the abuse but because the type 24 can be taken out quickly by anyone who knows what they are doing and was not up to the job...

[f1rebrand]

Thanks guys.

Shadowcorp, Top of TB leaderboard eh?

I've noticed that you become the focus of (experienced) attention when flying the I-153. I find the the I-16 very twitchy when hit. The Hurricane is slow but yeah they're the only other planes I can fly.

I'll take a look at the Spits etc.

[f1rebrand]

Originally Posted by winny

Dont worry about RATMAN.. He shouts at everyone.. It's part of his charm.

And please fly what you like... I noticed last night that you switched to 153 after everyone else had gone green.. That won't win you any friends. And was the main reason I spent the whole game trying to kill you.. (b4 you quit that is)

I used to fly the Type 24 a lot and got abuse for it, I now fly spitfires mainly, not because of the abuse but because the type 24 can be taken out quickly by anyone who knows what they are doing and was not up to the job...

Understood.

[Shadowcorp]

i can testify to what winny says, he's much harder to shoot down in his spit than in the type 24, he's a better shot with it also

[Panzergranate]

Originally Posted by Ancient Seraph

Yep, 2 x 20mm ShVAKs.

According to German range tests, they can penetrate 27mm. of armour plate @ 100 metres, (about 50mm. of steel) with APHE shells and 63mm. at 100 metres with later HVAP solid shot.

The ShVak cannon fire too fast in the game. In real life, all cannon fire somewhat slower than machine guns, the larger the calibre the slower the rate of fire.

The ShVak was also the sole armament of the T-60 light tank, which has a 1 round per second fire rate, if one watches WW2 newsreal footage.

Some mono-planes could turn inside 1930's bi-planes..... the Brewster B-139 Buffalo could turn inside the US Navy's Boeing F1 and F2 bi-plane fighters it replaced. The RAF found that the B-339 version could out turn the Gloster Gladiator and pilots commented that it handled more like a bi-plane than a mono-plane.

The Finnish B-239 could out turn the I-16 and match the I-153 in turns.

It seems that radial engined fighters have better maneuevrability than inline engine arrangements. Also that fighters with a short fuselage with wide wing ratio handle extremely well, but have too much drag to attain high speeds, hence as fighter speeds rose, aircraft became longer with shorter wings and maneuverability decreased in relation to earlier and slower predecessors.

Note how the Spitfire IX handles better than the XVI version.

Short and stubby with wide wings (I-16, Buffalo, Wildcat, Ki-27, A5M, Raiden) = highly maneuverable but slow.

Long and sleek with long wings (Hurricane, Spitfire, Zero, Oscar, Hellcat, P-51-D, Fw-190) = good maneuverablity, good speed.

Long with average wings (Bf-109, Yak, La) = aceptable maneuverability, good speed.

Long with average wings (P-39, P-40, P-66, G-50, LaGG, P-51-B) = mediocre maneuverabilty, good speed.

Long and sleek with short wings (Mig-3, P-43, ) = not so maneuverable, good speed.

.... And then their are the way too heavy types.

(P-47, Fulmar, etc.) = flies like a piano, brick, etc.