water cannon episode 2: return of the shotgun

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

why do people find driving on the right so weird?...it just seems sensible that as most people are right handed that the natural driving style of on hand on the wheel and the gear shift leaves the dominant (right) hand in charge of actually steering the vehicle......it's also pretty usefull for pointing your gun hand out the window while doing a drive by

lol I feel comfortable driving here in the UK only because I'm left handed

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Truth is that people live a bit in denial here, and even when things affect them personally, they sit and wonder why nobody came to the rescue..

When the great storm Katrina was on it's way to New Orleans the people were told to get out now, evacuate! They had several days to do it, and most took that advice.

Yet, you could read and view interviews with people that were not leaving. Many died as a result. Sadly, there were over 300 school buses sitting in a compound that could have been used to evacuate many who did not have adequate transport. The mayor neglected to take that action. Those buses were still in the compound when the storm hit.

One commentator put it very bluntly. The government has taken the role of the mighty protector and defender for so long thousands of people are sitting and waiting for the government to do something about taking care of them while the storm is headed their way.

It's not about country, it's about citizens of any country that have become too dependent upon government for the most basic things.
Common senses have departed many individuals as a result, and evidently intelligence and self-reliance are gone as well.

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

have a look and see how many properties with armed owners were broken into, genius..


That is a bit of a narrow view, which probably applies to your neck of the woods.


I figured you applied to the category I mentioned above..
What you don't seem (or want) to understand is that thousands of people have guns here and you can still get a license, it's a matter of culture.



you're looking at numbers without taking demographics and different cultures I'm afraid. But as you said, you don'y really care for this topic, so why you keep on posting your hysterical wuss talk about guns?

*sigh*. Here we go again. You are clearly incapable of having a reasonable debate without insulting people with derogatory comments, I honestly don't know how you get away with it. I think this is* due to a lack of any cogent argument, based on facts.

I don't appreciate having aspersions cast upon my intelligence with your derogatory 'Genius' remark, nor being (inaccurately) called a 'hysterical wuss', which is laughable. Stop it.

This 'Genius' did however look at the facts, and found that 'Korea Town' in LA was massively looted and damaged, despite residents banding together with an arsenal of weapons. I also found that truckloads of shops were looted whether the owner was armed or not. Multiple incidents were recorded of the armed Koreans actually shooting at each other in the confusion, which can very easily happen even amongst trained soldiers not to mention civvies....So your confidence in 'Charles Bronson' is sadly misplaced. A young girl named Latasha Harlins was also killed by a Korean shop owner, who had nothing to do with the looting at all. Others were injured.

If shoot outs at the 'OK Corall' are your thing, great. I'd argue that if you live in a society were you feel it is necessary to buy an assault rifle to defend yourself, then there is something badly wrong with that society, something that the proliferation and escalation of gun ownership will not and cannot remedy.

The likelihood of my home being invaded by an armed gunman in the UK is probably comparable with being struck by lightning*, twice. Extremely remote. I have no need for a gun, I am glad to live in a society where* I do not need guns, I don't want to own a gun. The majority of the UK do not want more guns. In fact, they want less.

The fact that you are apparently not even aware of the causal link between drug abuse and crimes against property worldwide, (never mind the UK)....Speaks volumes; this is common knowledge, and empirically proven and demonstrable.

What on earth does where I live/was born have to do with anything? More confused nonsense. Newcastle is not even in the top 10 (or twenty I believe) burglary 'hotspots' in the UK. Places like Nottingham, Leicester, Birmingham, inner city London are.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...hot-spots.html

'Narrow views'?! Not sure what you are on about, but nothing new there.

Yes, its a matter of culture. I don't want a Gun culture in the UK, or kids growing up in one, simple as that. Nor do I want to see them outlawed entirely, they have their purposes for 'jobs of work' like farming, maybe sports and that's fine. I don't however want every Tom dick and harry owning one. Nor does anyone else. I have lived in the UK all my life, a lot longer than you.....and your views are a distinct minority. Deal with it, or find somewhere more to your taste if it makes you so unhappy.

@ Nearmiss. Sorry pal but you could not be more wrong if you tried. We'll stick with our ways, thanks a bunch.

Other countries can do their thing and that's great. We'll do ours. With the greatest of respect, I'll take my countries per capita murder rate over the US record in particular, anytime.

Finito.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

nearmiss, it's a common misconception, the UK citizen haven't been deprived of the right to bear arms... I think it's more of a case of being deprived of common sense..

Let me understand you. Guns are allowed (with certain restrictions and licensing etc) but the fact that other weapons are not allowed is evidence that the peoples of the UK are being deprived of their common sense? Or is it that the lack of common sense has led to us being deprived of the right to bear whatever arms we want?

I presume that either option is evidence that citiznes of the UK have not exercised their own judgment or their right to vote? Please explain, without references to "sheep" etc as that is just insulting.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

It's a good ol' Empire thing to show that things can be done their way and be right (take the driving on the other side for instance), especially when they're blatantly unorthodox. Truth is that people live a bit in denial here, and even when things affect them personally, they sit and wonder why nobody came to the rescue..

The following link might hold the truth about driving on the left, though I don't understand why that is seen as evidence of Empire unorthodoxy. Explain please.

http://www.2pass.co.uk/goodluck.htm

There is a thing called the "Blitz spirit" that occurs quite often. After the riots in fact. It means that we help each other in times of need. I'm not really sure when exactly we need to be rescued.

My own view about living in denial is we deny that we help others too much rather than helping our own. We're probably going to have to pay a lot to bail out the Eurozone.

Originally Posted by nearmiss

It is sad for UK, not having the right to bear arms. There will a come a day UK will have real regrets about that. The problems haven't even started in Europe, this summer of riots is the tip of the iceberg.

Do you know the lottery numbers too?


What is amazing is the style of disagreement. Those in the UK are saying "We don't want guns but if you want them in your country/culture that's fine". Those not of this country (or culture in Stern's case) are saying "Without guns you are wusses, your free will has been eroded and you're all going to pay for it."

Is there any chance of leaving it at that?

Hood


ps It is interesting that "clever" and sly, inflammatory insults are passing unmoderated.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Hood

ps It is interesting that "clever" and sly, inflammatory insults are passing unmoderated.

I'd say you got to say your peace, and naturally there are no inflammatory insults. LOL

I don't know the lottery numbers for sure, but with the huge ethnic and religious factions that are growing in population and eventual power in the UK and Europe. I'm comfortable with my prognostication.

So, like Tree_UK prognostications... we'll have to wait and see won't we?

In the meanwhile, we will just have to discuss things without getting all torqued about someone else's views.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

*sigh*. Here we go again. You are clearly incapable of having a reasonable debate without insulting people with derogatory comments, I honestly don't know how you get away with it. I think this is* due to a lack of any cogent argument, based on facts.

I don't appreciate having aspersions cast upon my intelligence with your derogatory 'Genius' remark, nor being (inaccurately) called a 'hysterical wuss', which is laughable. Stop it.

to be honest with you, after the passive aggressive stuff you wrote me via PM, I'm surprised you even have the cheek to try and pick up conversations with me.

Let's review your intervention to the topic so far:

1) you butt in with some allegedly clever comment, which in fact shows lack of respect to others..

2).. then, when treated the way you deserve to, you moan?

Just don't bother man, I'm not interested.

This 'Genius' did however look at the facts, and found that 'Korea Town' in LA was massively looted and damaged, despite residents banding together with an arsenal of weapons. I also found that truckloads of shops were looted whether the owner was armed or not. Multiple incidents were recorded of the armed Koreans actually shooting at each other in the confusion, which can very easily happen even amongst trained soldiers not to mention civvies....So your confidence in 'Charles Bronson' is sadly misplaced. A young girl named Latasha Harlins was also killed by a Korean shop owner, who had nothing to do with the looting at all. Others were injured.

If shoot outs at the 'OK Corall' are your thing, great. I'd argue that if you live in a society were you feel it is necessary to buy an assault rifle to defend yourself, then there is something badly wrong with that society, something that the proliferation and escalation of gun ownership will not and cannot remedy.

I'm not here to change your opinion on the matter, in fact I don't care about it, you believe what you want to believe with your "I know it better" attitude.

The likelihood of my home being invaded by an armed gunman in the UK is probably comparable with being struck by lighting, twice. Extremely remote. I have no need for a gun, I am glad to live in a society were I do not need guns, I don't want to own a gun. The majority of the UK do not want more guns. In fact, they want less.

So you don't see your country is already invaded? You must be really blind.. and it doesn't need a man with a gun to break into your house, but I would like to see you talking yourself out of a scenario with two or more men armed with knives and sticks breaking in.. I'm sure the coppers will be there in no time. To collect the bits.

The fact that you are apparently not even aware of the causal link between drug abuse and crimes against property worldwide, (never mind the UK)....Speaks volumes; this is common knowledge, and empirically proven and demonstrable.

Yeah, it's all because of drugs. And the moon is made of cheese too.

What on earth does where I live/was born have to do with anything? More confused nonsense. Newcastle is not even in the top 10 (or twenty I believe) burglary 'hotspots' in the UK. Places like Nottingham, Leicester, Birmingham, inner city London are.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...hot-spots.html

'Narrow views'?! Not sure what you are on about, but nothing new there.

that's exactly my point, you only have a partial view of the complex world of crime. And it doesn't surprise me you don't understand what I talk about, you seem to be oblivious to pretty much everything else around you too. Or you know it better..

Yes, its a matter of culture. I don't want a Gun culture in the UK, or kids growing up in one, simple as that. Nor do I want to see them outlawed entirely, they have their purposes for 'jobs of work' like farming, maybe sports and that's fine. I don't however want every Tom dick and harry owning one. Nor does anyone else.

You keep on making the assumption that what you think is what everybody thinks. British citizen were never asked about it, the partial ban was applied and that's it. You're happy to be deprived of your rights overnight, good for you.

I have lived in the UK all my life, a lot longer than you.....and your views are a distinct minority. Deal with it, or find somewhere more to your taste if it makes you so unhappy.

There we go again with the passive aggressive crap.
You embody the worst part of this otherwise beautiful country.

@ Nearmiss. Sorry pal but you could not be more wrong if you tried. We'll stick with our ways, thanks a bunch.

Other countries can do their thing and that's great. We'll do ours. With the greatest of respect, I'll take my countries per capita murder rate over the US record in particular, anytime.

Finito.

*clap clap clap* fantastic.

[winny]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

1) you butt in

Huh huh... he said butt..

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

to be honest with you, after the passive aggressive stuff you wrote me via PM, .I'm surprised you even have the cheek to try and pick up conversations with me

Let's review your intervention to the topic so far:

1) you butt in with some allegedly clever comment, which in fact shows lack of respect to others..

2).. then, when treated the way you deserve to, you moan?

Just don't bother man, I'm not interested.


I'm not here to change your opinion on the matter, in fact I don't care about it, you believe what you want to believe with your "I know it better" attitude.

So you don't see your country is already invaded? You must be really blind.. and it doesn't need a man with a gun to break into your house, but I would like to see you talking yourself out of a scenario with two or more men armed with knives and sticks breaking in.. I'm sure the coppers will be there in no time. To collect the bits.


Yeah, it's all because of drugs. And the moon is made of cheese too.


that's exactly my point, you only have a partial view of the complex world of crime. And it doesn't surprise me you don't understand what I talk about, you seem to be oblivious to pretty much everything else around you too. Or you know it better..


You keep on making the assumption that what you think is what everybody thinks. British citizen were never asked about it, the partial ban was applied and that's it. You're happy to be deprived of your rights overnight, good for you.


There we go again with the passive aggressive crap.
You embody the worst part of this otherwise beautiful country.



*clap clap clap* fantastic.

to be honest with you, after the passive aggressive stuff you wrote me via PM

LOL Err, you PM'd me. I responded to your threatening PM. I don't want you PM'ing me, I have no interest in your buffoonery. Like many here, I do not like you one bit, you are a thoroughly unlikeable person.

I'm surprised you even have the cheek to try and pick up conversations with me

I made no attempt to converse with you initially, you posted to me on page 2. LOL! I'm surprised you have the cheek to write that.

I took you off ignore which you have been on for weeks to see if you were capable of being decent for 5 mins. Evidently not, and tbh nothing you write is worth reading anyway; no offence of course but your 'input' (when you are not being insulting and rude to people,which is rarely) is a bit lacking in the common sense and 'truth' department.

Yeah, it's all because of drugs. And the moon is made of cheese too.

Didn't say that at all, just a large proportion which is factually true. Might want to brush up on your English comprehension. Judging from your unintentionally hilarious comments in the 'Hitler died in Argentina' thread, it does not surprise me that you think the moon is made of cheese, and probably home to Elvis too. Thanks for that info and the laugh out loud moments, does put your zany BoB theories in context, too. Now back on ignore......What a bore.

Cheerio.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

to be honest with you, after the passive aggressive stuff you wrote me via PM

LOL Err, you PM'd me. I responded to your threatening PM. I don't want you PM'ing me, I have no interest in your buffoonery. Like many here, I do not like you one bit, you are a thoroughly unlikeable person.

I didn't threaten anybody, you're the passive aggressive person. Feel free to post what I PMd you, then I'll post what you PMd. so maybe we can have a clear perspective on things..

I'm surprised you even have the cheek to try and pick up conversations with me

I made no attempt to converse with you initially, you posted to me on page 2. LOL! I'm surprised you have the cheek to write that.

Well we were having a mature exchange until your brilliant intervention..

I took you off ignore which you have been on for weeks to see if you were capable of being decent for 5 mins. Evidently not, and tbh nothing you write is worth reading anyway; no offence of course but your 'input' (when you are not being insulting and rude to people,which is rarely) is a bit lacking in the common sense and 'truth' department.

aawww why thank you! Is it cos you wanted to give me a chance of being decent or because you got bored?
If you don't find my posts interesting feel free to put me again on your ignore list. And if you actually came around this forum for other things other than trolling or blurt out your passive aggressive nonsense, you might find that there are many threads and posts by me which are interesting indeed, where I share my bit of knowledge on the aviation subject, although you already demonstrated that you know things better, so you don't need to be explained anything.

Yeah, it's all because of drugs. And the moon is made of cheese too.

Didn't say that at all, just a large proportion which is factually true. Might want to brush up on your English comprehension. Judging from your unintentionally hilarious comments in the 'Hitler died in Argentina' thread, it does not surprise me that you think the moon is made of cheese, and probably home to Elvis too. Thanks for that info and the laugh out loud moments, does put your zany BoB theories in context, too. Now back on ignore......What a bore.

Cheerio.

Goodbye Troll, enjoy your life in denial.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I'd say you got to say your peace, and naturally there are no inflammatory insults. LOL

I don't know the lottery numbers for sure, but with the huge ethnic and religious factions that are growing in population and eventual power in the UK and Europe. I'm comfortable with my prognostication.

So, like Tree_UK prognostications... we'll have to wait and see won't we?

In the meanwhile, we will just have to discuss things without getting all torqued about someone else's views.

yeah, we're surrounded by extremists, terrorist cells, violent crime, yet people really think the police will take care of it..