Why does luthier even bother?

[Catseye]

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

I suggest 1C asks the community for beta testers and pick out 300 or so for a closed beta. Then sets up a closed beta server and give the testers a t-shirt and a mug or something and mention them in the "thank you" text in the game.

This happened to me in the past when I was part of the outside Beta team for Falcon 4 and also for Flanker. Got a great T-shirt from the Flanker Guys and credit in the published book.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

Ace, I've done more 'beta' testing and found more bugs on many forums than you've probably had hot dinners sunshine, going waaaaaay back and involving any sim you care to mention.

Based on your initial hissy fit reply it casts doubt on your beta testing experience.. In that typically people with beta testing experience have MORE understanding of what goes into a 'it', NOT LESS! Which your initial post proved you have very little understanding of what goes into 'it'

For example that initial post of your started off with

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

Maybe the question should be 'why do we even bother'?

And the rest of that post only goes on, in summary, with your whining about feeling like an 'alpha' tester and helping a 'crack head' and referring to it all as a p*ss take of biblical proportions

Does that reply sound like someone with a wealth of knowledge and experience in beta testing?

I think most would agree it does not

SAVVY?

Or, put in your words, from that 1st post of yours

Capische?

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

Nowhere did anyone say 'beta should be perfect' (ridiculous) your words, no one else's. I said they should be testable. Self evidently, if not this obviously defeats the point.

It was and is testable.. Only thing you had to do was put a little effort into reading the posts by others that found a work around so they could continue to keep testing.. You know the things good beta testers do.

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

Again for posterity, nothing I wrote was untrue at the time of writing, suck it down.

Never said it was un-true! Just pointed out that complaining about find a bug in a beta patch is like

Complaining about getting wet after jumping into a pool
Complaining about getting burnt after running into a burning building
Complaining about getting sun burnt after laying on the beach all day
Complaining about getting shot after pointing a gun at your head and pulling the trigger
Complaining about getting laid after ... mmmmm on 2nd thought clearly that one does not apply to you

As in all these results should be 'expected' from these actions

Which is what you did in your initial hissy fit tantrum filled post

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

Since I've been PM'd no less than 4 times by 4 different people (none of whom are on this 'whine' thread you started) warning me not to bother with you (for reasons I won't divulge) I think I'll leave it there.

Promise?

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

The only person looking daft here is you. You really are a bore, and obviously spoiling for an argument. Trololol. Waste of time, like your pointless thread.

This means so much to me from the guy who said beta testing CoD is equivalent to helping a crack head

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

The steak was great BTW, could have done with more of your patented silly sauce though. Good stuff.

Ciao.

Ok.. ok.. ok. I give you two gold stars

Feel better now?

[mazex]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

I have to wonder what part of 'beta' do these people not understand?

I mean the download clearly says 'beta' in the title.. right?

So I don't think they can say they didn't realize it is a 'beta' patch.. But than again their are people in their 30s trying to sue cigarette companies claiming they didn't realize smoking was bad.. Even though cigarette packages have had warning labels for over 30 years.. So I guess I am not surprised that a few people try to..

I guess I just never realized there were 'so many' of these 'few' types of people.

Here luthier gives us a beta patch to 'test'.. Yet these people act shocked that there is a bug in a beta patch? To the point that some are having a total break down hissy fit and saying they give up..

@ luthier.. I know you meant well..

And I know you thought you might be able to receive some useful feedback by releasing this beta patch to the masses.. The idea being more people beta testings means you will be able to find and fix bugs sooner..

And I know you even went as far as to say in your first post, i.e.



Yet they act as if you said nothing at all.. based on the majority of the responses thus far..

I think you might be better off sticking to the way you have done it in the past.. Just release the beta patch to your smaller select group of testers..

Oh sure that means it will take longer to find bugs because there are less people beta testing..

But when you consider that 'most' of the 'masses' are not even willing to make use of a work around (turn effects to low) to continue beta testing..

You got to ask yourself is it worth the trouble?

Clearly 'most' of the 'masses' here have no idea of what beta means and the purpose behind releasing a beta patch

+ 100



Mazex

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

I have to wonder what part of 'beta' do these people not understand?

I mean the download clearly says 'beta' in the title.. right?

So I don't think they can say they didn't realize it is a 'beta' patch.. But than again their are people in their 30s trying to sue cigarette companies claiming they didn't realize smoking was bad.. Even though cigarette packages have had warning labels for over 30 years.. So I guess I am not surprised that a few people try to..

I guess I just never realized there were 'so many' of these 'few' types of people.

Here luthier gives us a beta patch to 'test'.. Yet these people act shocked that there is a bug in a beta patch? To the point that some are having a total break down hissy fit and saying they give up..

@ luthier.. I know you meant well..

And I know you thought you might be able to receive some useful feedback by releasing this beta patch to the masses.. The idea being more people beta testings means you will be able to find and fix bugs sooner..

And I know you even went as far as to say in your first post, i.e.



Yet they act as if you said nothing at all.. based on the majority of the responses thus far..

I think you might be better off sticking to the way you have done it in the past.. Just release the beta patch to your smaller select group of testers..

Oh sure that means it will take longer to find bugs because there are less people beta testing..

But when you consider that 'most' of the 'masses' are not even willing to make use of a work around (turn effects to low) to continue beta testing..

You got to ask yourself is it worth the trouble?

Clearly 'most' of the 'masses' here have no idea of what beta means and the purpose behind releasing a beta patch

the game was alpha when it was released....

and he bothers because we purchased this half finished product...

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

I have to wonder what part of 'beta' do these people not understand?

I mean the download clearly says 'beta' in the title.. right?

So I don't think they can say they didn't realize it is a 'beta' patch.. But than again their are people in their 30s trying to sue cigarette companies claiming they didn't realize smoking was bad.. Even though cigarette packages have had warning labels for over 30 years.. So I guess I am not surprised that a few people try to..

I guess I just never realized there were 'so many' of these 'few' types of people.

Here luthier gives us a beta patch to 'test'.. Yet these people act shocked that there is a bug in a beta patch? To the point that some are having a total break down hissy fit and saying they give up..

@ luthier.. I know you meant well..

And I know you thought you might be able to receive some useful feedback by releasing this beta patch to the masses.. The idea being more people beta testings means you will be able to find and fix bugs sooner..

And I know you even went as far as to say in your first post, i.e.



Yet they act as if you said nothing at all.. based on the majority of the responses thus far..

I think you might be better off sticking to the way you have done it in the past.. Just release the beta patch to your smaller select group of testers..

Oh sure that means it will take longer to find bugs because there are less people beta testing..

But when you consider that 'most' of the 'masses' are not even willing to make use of a work around (turn effects to low) to continue beta testing..

You got to ask yourself is it worth the trouble?

Clearly 'most' of the 'masses' here have no idea of what beta means and the purpose behind releasing a beta patch

you are a retard....you see when you pay for something maybe you expect to be taken advantage of and to not get a product you paid for....maybe you do not have any dignity and dont care about your self and the stuff you buy (your property) to work....but some people still feel that when they buy something it should work as advertised....generally when companies have their customers test their products they get paid...and sometimes they get paid QUITE WELL....That is why people are mad....they feel that they didnt buy a game that could be considered in a beta state...i could care less as i am patient and know that they WILL get the game in order, and until then i would save alot of heartache by simply playing other games i enjoy and participating in other activities that i enjoy....its that easy...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Yawn

Add one more to the list!

In light of tk471138 epic fail in an attempt to list missing features..

The offer still stands!

Can ANYONE point to ANYTHING that was ADVERTISED that we DID NOT RECEIVE?

Anyone?

I know the answer is NO because if there was ONE THING MISSING these but hurt hissy fit types would already be FACE BOOKING each other wrt a class action law suit to get their $50 buck back

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Yawn

Add one more to the list!

In light of tk471138 epic fail in an attempt to list missing features..

The offer still stands!

Can ANYONE point to ANYTHING that was ADVERTISED that we DID NOT RECEIVE?

Anyone?

I know the answer is NO because if there was ONE THING MISSING these but hurt hissy fit types would already be FACE BOOKING each other wrt a class action law suit to get their $50 buck back

it seams you lost your memory recently....when the game was released it was unplayable on most machines (performance wise)....and on promo videos from Luthier everything seemed ok....only with latest beta pacth it gets better but still far away from problems...most still has major slowdowns near more planes or when ditching, some of them have constant CTDs, AA (still) not working (do you think its normal for a w21st century sim to be released without working AA? And still months after the release it doesnt work). We are not talking about features here.....do you remember antiepilepsy comedy show? CLOD is main actor....

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

it seams you lost your memory recently....when the game was released it was unplayable on most machines (performance wise)....and on promo videos from Luthier everything seemed ok....only with latest beta pacth it gets better but still far away from problems...most still has major slowdowns near more planes or when ditching, some of them have constant CTDs, AA (still) not working (do you think its normal for a w21st century sim to be released without working AA? And still months after the release it doesnt work). We are not talking about features here.....do you remember antiepilepsy comedy show? CLOD is main actor....

In light of Tvrdi epic fail in an attempt to list missing features..

The offer still stands!

Can ANYONE point to ANYTHING that was ADVERTISED that we DID NOT RECEIVE?

Anyone?

I know the answer is NO because if there was ONE THING MISSING these but hurt hissy fit types would already be FACE BOOKING each other wrt a class action law suit to get their $50 buck back

And can someone take the time to explain to Tvr that most machines is not all machines, and if you have time tell him how unrealistic it is to expect prefection in any software release these days.. On only has to take a look at all the service packs for each windows OS to get a clue.. And maybe even point out that for every one game he can find that never had a patch I can point to hundreds that did

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

it seams you lost your memory recently....when the game was released it was unplayable on most machines (performance wise)....and on promo videos from Luthier everything seemed ok....only with latest beta pacth it gets better but still far away from problems...most still has major slowdowns near more planes or when ditching, some of them have constant CTDs, AA (still) not working (do you think its normal for a w21st century sim to be released without working AA? And still months after the release it doesnt work). We are not talking about features here.....do you remember antiepilepsy comedy show? CLOD is main actor....

Thank you for this, you saved me time, that i would have otherwise wasted on this fool...i mean its because of people like him that the PC game industry is like this...people are more than willing to accept games released like this and they even go a step further and defend those who release such products...

[nearmiss]

There you go again. Managing the past again.

You can't fix it, Oleg is gone. Luthier has picked up the pieces and to my way of thinking he is making progress.

Many people are posting good things about the COD now. That is not a negative IMO.

So why does anyone bother to create these threads?