Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

The only thing we need to use FT or a similar program is to have these axes as a mappable option in the simulator's control panel.

Yes, a generic interface for 6DOF is needed and easy to implement, just allow us to assign input device axis to head movement. Really simple.

[Wolf_Rider]

Thank you Blackdog


All it would take gents, is a show of good faith





*Edit

Blackdog, I did forget to mention though, I did make my views " ~ he's not opposed to having a free head tracking alternative, he's just opposed to using the hacked NP dll, ~ " known well before the silliness began. I apologise for the actions of those who missed that.

[norulz]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

... W-R has calmed down and it seems he's not opposed to having a free head tracking alternative, he's just opposed to using the hacked NP dll...

The same NP says... but not before making that dll the only one devs use so the alternatives have no alternative.

Some in face of monopoly don't give a darn about "meanings" of fighting it... Is not "ethical"? Monopoly is not ethical either.

That dll was used cause it was available... NP seeing their position attacked induced the idea that the "gate", the interface the programs give headtracking solutions to the game is the main problem... and since their dll was in used at that time they locked it then convinced devs to use only their own encrypted "gate". Thus... forcing the others to take "other" route. Then complaining...

If a game is including all the interfaces available... and adds them as they are getting born by necessity then NP knows they have no chance. No one would give them 180$ on some fancy webcam with a chip when they could do the same with a 20$ webcam and the enormous (by the day) CPU power they already have.

Especially... when the alternative does not lock the client into a money milking product line, gives more options to the user and works better in general.


The problem is not that darn dll... As it is neither that darn "tracking clip". NP could still sell their 3point clip that works ok with FT but they know they cannot have a bussiness with just that 2$ clip sold to 40$ when that can be made if necessary by "Chinese" for 1$. Sure it can be made in house also... but it is meaningless to the issue.

Isn't it nice that you don't have to buy a mouse from just one manufacturer? Would you like to have same discussion about the "huge" effort went into developing the pathetic mouse interface? How about Joysticks? Or audiocards...


So...

NP TIR does their calculations by a chip and software
FT does its calculations only by software and is different, more complex in options and free.... opened also.

The interfaces

NP locked theirs
FT is free
(other interfaces exists)

Devs use only NP interface...


problem.


That is the issue of this thread.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by norulz

The same NP says... but not before making that dll the only one devs use so the alternatives have no alternative.

Some in face of monopoly don't give a darn about "meanings" of fighting it... Is not "ethical"? Monopoly is not ethical either.

That dll was used cause it was available... NP seeing their position attacked induced the idea that the "gate", the interface the programs give headtracking solutions to the game is the main problem... and since their dll was in used at that time they locked it then convinced devs to use only their own encrypted "gate". Thus... forcing the others to take "other" route. Then complaining...

If a game is including all the interfaces available... and adds them as they are getting born by necessity then NP knows they have no chance. No one would give them 180$ on some fancy webcam with a chip when they could do the same with a 20$ webcam and the enormous (by the day) CPU power they already have.

Especially... when the alternative does not lock the client into a money milking product line, gives more options to the user and works better in general.


The problem is not that darn dll... As it is neither that darn "tracking clip". NP could still sell their 3point clip that works ok with FT but they know they cannot have a bussiness with just that 2$ clip sold to 40$ when that can be made if necessary by "Chinese" for 1$. Sure it can be made in house also... but it is meaningless to the issue.

Isn't it nice that you don't have to buy a mouse from just one manufacturer? Would you like to have same discussion about the "huge" effort went into developing the pathetic mouse interface? How about Joysticks? Or audiocards...


So...

NP TIR does their calculations by a chip and software
FT does its calculations only by software and is different, more complex in options and free.... opened also.

The interfaces

NP locked theirs
FT is free
(other interfaces exists)

Devs use only NP interface...


problem.


That is the issue of this thread.

Perfect!

And I can clearly understand why NP troll fakes jump in this kind of discussions screaming "HACK", but I saw a lot of others that I believe that are regular posters with a lot of misconceptions regars all this subject, and that is sad!

It's a matter that's important to all that like simms, and want better and cheaper options of hardware. It's sad that someone thing it's just a stupid "crusade" of some Freetrack users...

I have the money to buy the most expensive TIR, but I can buy a cheaper PS3eye cam, build a simple 3 point IR clip and have the same results. And as I like MP games, I will really enjoy if EVERYBODY can have some kind of HT solution, will be nice!

But I'm the wrong. Maybe I born in the wrong world...

[Wolf_Rider]

there is no monopoly, Blaster you fool, and you know it... mouse look has been used before and you nailed it LoBi, a crusade by FT users...

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

there is no monopoly, you fool, and you know it

You are the most pathetic NP fake that I ever saw. But all are equally limited in arguments and funny!

[Wolf_Rider]

Cachya interfaces through mouse look, LoBi
Seeing Machines has an API out

Your "monopoly" claims are a product of your own imagination and your claims of "cheaper and better hardware" are a furphy.

[norulz]

In IL-2 there is no monopolly yet. This is the question of the initial poster of this thread. Will it be?

Cause in DCS A10c 64bit version it is. The only native headtracking interface is the encrypted one from NP.


Anyway... this throll is very funny . At some point acknowledges an argument then just flies over it like nothing happen.

[Wolf_Rider]

have you actually tried using another program norulz? one that doesn't rely on the NP software to work?

[MadBlaster]

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