New planes requests (from other threads/please pin it)

[gaunt1]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Engine profile is similar to that of the C model, except that some versions had the tropical air filters similar to those mounted on the Bf-109F or G.

Not true for "F". That one already has the engine fairing like the "G"

[cstaunton92]

Hello Sita,
Here's another link (with no sources given):
http://www.jagdgeschwader4.de/index....schmitt-bf-110

It gives some armament info, and suggests the E and F have very similar equipment - except for additional armoured glass.

Also, this picture http:///img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4408..._e8eed409_orig from yt2 seems to have elements of the G cockpit - could that mean it is an F?

[_1SMV_Gitano]

Luftwaffe unit OOBs shows that the F version was widely used, and in general such units had a mix of C/D/E/F variants up to early 1943 when the G arrived in large numbers. I do not have much idea about internal changes, except that the Bf 110F had a DB 601F engine, similar to the DB 601E of the Bf 109 F-4 but with different reduction ratio.

The book "German Aircraft Interiors vol.1" show the very same picture posted above, and the captios says it is a F version. Not sure if it is enough to model it though...

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

Not true for "F". That one already has the engine fairing like the "G"

You are right. Thanks for the correction.

So, arguably you could use the G model as a base for 3d, since I think that it retained the longer fuselage, and certainly retained the improved armor of the F series. The only difference is that the rudder and vertical stabilizer assembly would be that of the C model, since it was only altered with the F-4 variant.

Cockpit might be similar to G, since that model could also carry drop tanks, bombs, and rockets.

Gunner position might be similar to C model, with single rather than double MG 15 gun.

Loadouts would be slightly restricted since Bf-110F-2 didn't carry rockets.

I'm not sure about other minor details, but they could presumably be handled using a skin rather than 3d.

What we're really looking for is great cockpit documentation to tempt Sita into making this plane his next project (unless he wants to stick to Soviet planes and do cockpits for the Su-2, R-10, or Tu-2).

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by _1SMV_Gitano

Luftwaffe unit OOBs shows that the F version was widely used, and in general such units had a mix of C/D/E/F variants up to early 1943 when the G arrived in large numbers.

This is useful info. There's a lovely picture of the D variant (mit dackelbauch auxiliary fuel tank) flying over the Mediterranean, and it's quite likely that the captured plane that US engineers examined was taken from North Africa. My ignorant guess is that it was the F variant. So, its clear that the D, E, F variants, as well as the surviving C variants, were used in the Mediterranean.

The surviving F-2 variant aircraft in Berlin was used in early 1943 in Finland, until it was damaged by flak, landed on thin ice, and sank into a lake. That happy fact accounts for its survival.

Other Bf-110F units (probably with surviving D & E models) were used around Stalingrad. They were fairly effective on the Russian Front, and it appears that the only reason they were withdrawn was because of the increasing threat of Western Allied heavy bomber raids into Germany. So, the F variant is a gap in the mid-war Eastern Front German Order of Battle.

Originally Posted by _1SMV_Gitano

I do not have much idea about internal changes, except that the Bf 110F had a DB 601F engine, similar to the DB 601E of the Bf 109 F-4 but with different reduction ratio.

I believe that the D,E,F series used roughly the same engine nacelles as the G series, albeit possibly with minor changes to air intakes and exhaust manifolds. Tropical air filters would have to be added if they're not already present for the C model.

Cockpit would have had to have been different from the C to accommodate bomb and drop tank release controls, and fuel tank selector switches for the auxiliary tanks (dackelbauch, drop tanks, or both).

Gunner's cockpit is hard to figure out. I'm not sure if any of the D, E, F series got the twin MG defensive guns of the G model, but it would have been an easy field mod if they did have them.

If someone could take a look at the cockpit photo of the US technical report and compare it to the C and G versions of the Bf-110 cockpit, that would clear up a lot of confusion.

The US report is wonderfully detailed for most things, but I'm not sure that they actually tested the engines which came with the captured Bf-110. They just say that the engines are DB601, but don't get into any further detail.

If it turns out that the US example was the F-2 variant, it will be a great source of documentation.

Originally Posted by _1SMV_Gitano

The book "German Aircraft Interiors vol.1" show the very same picture posted above, and the captios says it is a F version. Not sure if it is enough to model it though...

What we really need is good pictures of the cockpit of the Berlin museum aircraft. Is there a Berliner with a cell phone and a selfie-stick reading this?

[taly001]

i would like to see some of the major planes to be added for the pacific rather than odd balls...in order

1.P-38G essential mid pacific
2.Ki-48 useful JAAF Lbomber and Dbomber 1,900 made served 41-45
3.Ki-51 JAAF version of Val 2,300 made!
4.Ki-44 served 41-45 high speed JAAF fighter! 1,200 made
5.D4Y replaced Val in JNAF unreliable, but a fast Kamikaze!
6.SB2C meant to replace SBD but not that popular

[taly001]

The official plane i miss most is P-38G the version that made its reputation in Pacific but served "everywhere".

A Ki-48-II would be interesting multi-role plane, fast light bomber with dive bombing capability. Used everywhere by JAAF from 42 on, and a kamikaze mod in 44-45.

Ki-44-II fast japanese interceptor that served throughout 1942-45. 2x12.7mm in nose, and wings choice of 2x12.7mm or 2x40mm "mortar cannon".

[Orangeman]

Ki-44 would be awesome

Originally Posted by taly001

The official plane i miss most is P-38G the version that made its reputation in Pacific but served "everywhere".

A Ki-48-II would be interesting multi-role plane, fast light bomber with dive bombing capability. Used everywhere by JAAF from 42 on, and a kamikaze mod in 44-45.

Ki-44-II fast japanese interceptor that served throughout 1942-45. 2x12.7mm in nose, and wings choice of 2x12.7mm or 2x40mm "mortar cannon".

[Verdun1916]

I would like to see the Blenheims, the Beauforts, the Wellington and
the MS 406 (/410/Mörkö aswell) allready present as AI aircraft made flyable to be used on the up comming Channel map.

The Dewotine 520 would also be a nice addition to have.

Also the Swordfish would be a nice addition to the RN.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Verdun1916

I would like to see the Blenheims, the Beauforts, the Wellington and the MS 406 (/410/Mörkö aswell) allready present as AI aircraft made flyable

It's a LOT of work to make all those bombers flyable.

I'd just be happy with a flyable Blenheim since it could double duty with both the Finns and UK/Commonwealth forces. Of all the British medium bombers in the game, it was probably the most ubiquitous.

Originally Posted by Verdun1916

The Dewotine 520 would also be a nice addition to have.

The D.520 is on my short list of fighters to be added to the game. Given that it was used in limited numbers by the Italians, and was used by the Vichy French in North Africa, it would be a nice addition to a Mediterranean campaign.

Originally Posted by Verdun1916

Also the Swordfish would be a nice addition to the RN.

You're in luck! There's alrelady an AI Swordfish I in the game.

But, a flyable Swordfish would be another great addition to a Mediterranean campaign. It also saw some service in the English Channel, notably during the "Channel Dash." There's also that little incident with the German battleship . . .

And, if TD wanted to do a quick and easy upgrade, they could add the Mk.II (early) Swordfish to the game. The main difference between the Mk. I and early versions of the Mk. II Swordfish was that the latter had metal reinforcements on the lower wing so it could carry rockets and the inner bomb racks were removed. Later versions of the Mk.II added a more powerful engine with slightly enlarged oil cooler and extended flame-dampening exhausts, as well as greater overall mass.

The Mk.II, as well as later war versions of the Mk. I also were fitted with ASV radar - with antennae fitted below the lower wing or onto the wing bracing wires.