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Originally Posted by bongodriver

Yeah those awfull Brits, if only they had followed the example of the other colonising Nations in the days of colonialism which was from a completely different age with different moralities, still the Jerries came along and showed us how it 'should' be done in a typically efficient way.

You are aware that the Empire was Old Adis personal inspiration for a Greater Germany?

I'm not making a point, you were the one that asked why dunne didn't make a high speed swept wing.

So, why then did you bring him in? There were paper planes with swept wings before Dunne.

I hope you paid attention tho the fact I never said slats were a British invention, I merely mentioned Messershmitts slats were a HP patent.

And there I thought you implied it was a british invention. Which I thought, too, btw, before checking Wiki.

[bongodriver]

Let me specify. Dead end for high performance fighter aircraft.

Honestly the 262 would have been better off with the british engines mounted in a similar way, sure they were a bit fatter but they were more reliable and produced alot of power, the Meteor was no slouch, it took some time before axial flow compressors became particularily good, whereas the centrifugal compressor is unchanged to this day

No? The Russians and the Japanese had quite some fun before WW2 in this regard.
Or do you, in typical anglo saxon manner, consider Britian "the rest of the world"?

Local incursions hardly constitute world war and Japan ended up as part of the Axis anyway.
Anglo Saxon....isn't the Saxon part from Germany anyway? does that mean were the same?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Honestly the 262 would have been better off with the british engines mounted in a similar way, sure they were a bit fatter but they were more reliable and produced alot of power, the Meteor was no slouch, it took some time before axial flow compressors became particularily good, whereas the centrifugal compressor is unchanged to this day

Agreed to a point. Back then Axial did not provide much improvement over Centrifugals, centrifugals also being less complex.
Then again the problems the Jumos had were not down to construction or design, but lack of heat resisting materials. The Jumo Prototypes had a much longer service life and produced more thrust compared to the production models.

Local incursions hardly constitute world war and Japan ended up as part of the Axis anyway.

Local Incursions? like Japan in China? Russia in Finland? Germany in Poland?
What made this war another affair was the France and the UK did not declare war on Japan, nor Russia, but Germany alone.

Anglo Saxon....isn't the Saxon part from Germany anyway? does that mean were the same?

The Angel part, too. And indeed you will notice that folks from the Netherlands, Denmark, the UK and northern Germany are pretty much the same.

[bongodriver]

You are aware that the Empire was Old Adis personal inspiration for a Greater Germany?

Yes?......

So, why then did you bring him in? There were paper planes with swept wings before Dunne.

Because I want to glorify the Brits as much as I can, I'm nearly out of breath from the frantic waving of my union flag here.

And there I thought you implied it was a british invention. Which I thought, too, btw, before checking Wiki.

I knew it wasn't entirely, note it was a simultaneous and coincidental discovery between HP and Lachmann, I just thought it very relevant to mention it being an HP design that Messershmitt used.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

wow.. It took me and tools a week of back and fourth to generate a page.. You two have generated 3 in less than 30 min!

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Originally Posted by bongodriver

Yes?......

So? Why are human beings in Africa, India and the middle east up for conquest, human beings in Europe not?
I personally condone all of it, but that hypocrisis displayed, fingerpointing while standing on a huge pile of bodies, is highly annoying.

Because I want to glorify the Brits as much as I can, I'm nearly out of breath from the frantic waving of my union flag here.

Welcome to the club

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Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

wow.. It took me and tools a week of back and fourth to generate a page.. You two have generated 3 in less than 30 min!

Observe and learn, Ace ; )
I need a beer now.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Make mine a double!

[bongodriver]

Local Incursions? like Japan in China? Russia in Finland? Germany in Poland?
What made this war another affair was the France and the UK did not declare war on Japan, nor Russia, but Germany alone.

Remind me of the Russia Finland bit? the first war between them ended in 1809 and the winter war of 39 started after WW2 had started didn't it?...I admit I'm not a massive history buff.
So Japan was at war with China.......not sure it was particularily relevant or any threat to europe at the time, but Germany invading poland was, not only that it was a contravention of the treaty of Marseilles, come on admit it, russia and japan's conflicts at that time are irrelevant to what started in Europe.

The Angel part, too. And indeed you will notice that folks from the Netherlands, Denmark, the UK and northern Germany are pretty much the same.

Yeah so imagine how frustrating it is when people who are effectively the same as you keep pointing fingers and saying 'Anglo Saxon mentality'

So? Why are human beings in Africa, India and the middle east up for conquest, human beings in Europe not?
I personally condone all of it, but that hypocrisis displayed, fingerpointing while standing on a huge pile of bodies, is highly annoying.

So what you are really saying is that Britain should have stayed out of the war because of it's past? and because we had an Empire we should have let little Adolf have a slice of his pie too?

Observe and learn, Ace ; )
I need a beer now.

Prost!

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Originally Posted by bongodriver

Remind me of the Russia Finland bit? the first war between them ended in 1809 and the winter war of 39 started after WW2 had started didn't it?...I admit I'm not a massive history buff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

You are correct, it started two months after the start of hostilities in Europe.
Nevertheless The Uk did not do anything about it, despite Finland being a democracy, while Poland was an authocratic and rather agressive regime (the Germany/Poland hatrad did not develop out of thin air, either, btw. There is some history to it extending to after the end of WWI and has a lot to do with polish attitudes in the interwar years while Germany was a democracy.)

What I am aiming at is the the UK did not declare their wars out of humanitarian reasons, the way it is always displayed, but pure power politics following century old traditions.

So Japan was at war with China.......not sure it was particularily relevant or any threat to europe at the time, but Germany invading poland was, not only that it was a contravention of the treaty of Marseilles, come on admit it, russia and japan's conflicts at that time are irrelevant to what started in Europe.

Actually, I agree. But the british always complain about Germany starting it all, while technically, they declared war on Germany, not vice versa. Imagine Germany declaring war on the UK for invading the Falklands and then blaming you guys for starting it all.

Yeah so imagine how frustrating it is when people who are effectively the same as you keep pointing fingers and saying 'Anglo Saxon mentality'

Imagine 60 years, and pretty much all my life, finger pointing and blames from other nationalities simply for my own nationality, despite never having done anything that would justify such blames. Eventually you adapt. You have to look not further then current news all over Europe to know what I mean.

So what you are really saying is that Britain should have stayed out of the war because of it's past? and because we had an Empire we should have let little Adolf have a slice of his pie too?

No, that is not what I am saying. I actually like the UK. I am actually glad they declared war. I am not even angry over the bombing campaigns at all. That is something Germany brought onto itself for following that gangster.
But I am highly annoyed at the hypocrisy displayed and the way a lot of british try to use those crimes as a knock out argument in any debate over that time.

What I am saying is that Britian should display a bit more modesty when it comes to finger pointing due to their own history, especially at current generation Germans. And also give credit where credit is due at times.

Prost!

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Make mine a double!

Now we are talking!