Suddenly Spit IIa on all the servers?

[whoarmongar]

Theres an Elephant in this room.
The plain fact is this
The Mk1a should have the rotol prop
Instead spitty flyers have to put up with that godawful 1st gear/ 5th gear prop.
Or fly the Hurricane
As present FM the Mk1a is 30mph slower and doesnt climb as well as the rotol Hurricane
But the Hurricane roll rate is terrible 360* roll takes 2 secs longer than the spitfire,and the spitfire rolls slower than the me109 anyway.

So with slower top speed, poorer climb,slower dive, inferior roll rate, poorer guns, lots less amunition and that infernal neg g cutout combined with the 109`s easier controlability in turns is it any surprise red players want to fly the Mk1I on the servers ? Especially since the blueboys have some new toys.
But the MkII is 60 mph faster than the Mk1a.

So what is really needed is a MK1a with a rotol prop.

The speeds I quote are from a very quick test in mission. straight and level @ 6500 ft

Mk1a 230mph

Rotol Hurri 260mph

MkII 290mph.

This admittedly quick test is obviously not entirely accurate, but feel about right from my time playing online.

[David198502]

Originally Posted by Osprey

So will you start a similar thread when the rotol props + 100 octane fuel are added? tbh mate I've not been flying COD purely because I got fed up with too many times there were 109's parked over the airfield vulching and frankly, after warming up an engine I couldn't be arsed with it so went to fly RoF instead. I imagine that this was mainly down to the imbalance toward LW due to the missing Rotol Spits and LW desperately seeking opponents perhaps? It's no surprise that servers put in the IIa once LW got am even better aircraft.

JG53Frankie had it right in the first page - wrong planes and bad FM's to start.

109E1 & E4 vs
Rotol Spit I and Hurricane I, get the FM's right from the off and you have a game to build from, starting with the AI for them.

When the day comes that I can escape a 109 with a tight steep climbing turn, particularly to the left, and that he can escape me by pushing the nose hard down (I would expect him to pull away due to weight too), then I will be much happier. Real pilots on both sides admitted this. I would really like to see Allied and Axis fliers unite and come to some concensus with 1C over getting these models right - not to balance the online game - instead of the constant bickering because they suddenly find things a lot harder than they used to.

PS, Winger - Pupo162 is a 109 bumlicker, always has been so you're well out of line, particularly with the insult.

+1

i want the flight models as accurate as possible.
...even if it would result in a disadvantage for me.

i think in real life,...the battle of britain had pretty equal oponents on both sides.all i have read states that it was mainly the skill of the pilot that effected the outcome of a fight.so give us the proper performances for all planes please

[ElAurens]

Well said Osprey.

BTW long before the game was even released our lads decided to fly the Hurricane, as it was the aircraft that really won the Battle of Britain.

When I'm online the only aircraft you see me in will be the Rotol Hurricane, at least until we get a flyable Gladiator or CR 42. I would like to pop over to one of the evaluation units and nick one of the Tomahawks that were destined for France though...

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Osprey

When the day comes that I can escape a 109 with a tight steep climbing turn, particularly to the left, and that he can escape me by pushing the nose hard down (I would expect him to pull away due to weight too), then I will be much happier. Real pilots on both sides admitted this.

I am sry Osp but all of the above are myth hence wrong. It has been discussed and explained all over and over - not by me but by historians.

Regarding weights, do you really think that a modern design such as was the 109 was heavier than a tube and framework Hurri or an heavy riveted with a thousands of bulkheads Spit ?

That's were we hve to understand how braves and well commanded was the BoB RAF's men. The odds were clearly in favor of the brutal Hitler's regime but they have prevailed.

We hve the chance to re-enact those glory days for our own pleasures without any fear of blood, sweet and tears being shed. I wonder why some still have to turn history upside down.

As there is no diff btw a blue player and a red player If you want to fly the better fighter in the fray of that very specific times that's plain simple SWITCH to BLUE !

PS: As I ave said alrdy IMHO the only good FM btw the Hurri, 109 and spits are the Hurri and the 109. That wld be a non-sense to start modifying both their FM to fit that of the surreal Spits

[SEE]

CloD is now attracting more on-line players which is welcomed by all.

The one positive I see from the introduction of the Mk2 Spit is that it created controversy and highlighted the problems of the underperfoming ac. Its a shame that it ends up being divisive but in a way that may help to get this issue resolved.

I really hope that the Russian forums are having this same argument and that Luthier and his team are considering a fix as a priority.

We now have a title that works reasonably well in SP, attracting more players on MP but well and truly stuffed with undermodelled (or incorrectly) modelled ac.

How difficult would it be to at least add the correct prop to a Mk1a and get that out in the next official patch?

[TomcatViP]

This is wrong. pls see the above.

To reach max perfs you need to fight hard on your aircraft ctrls and eng management. It might take some time to be pro-efficient but that the way it is [was ] and I find that great.

[Winger]

To all of you guys. I know the FM´s of Spit Ia and hurri are just as messed as the one of the 109. My only concern is that the spit IIa outclasses the 109 to a degree that makes flying for the blue team totally pointleass except when you are a masochistic person that likes to get banged.
I know people online that do VERY well in their hurricane against the 109. I mean fighting a good hurri pilot in a 109 on even energylevels is a real challenge for a good 109 pilot. Each side has its strengths wich, when used properly, lead you to a victory.
I also admit that the spit Ia is too slow but the Spit IIa just makes it totally pointless. So i dont say nerf it or anything. I just say use a planecombo that actually works well in multiplayer. Nothing else,

Winger

PS: And to 1C i say: Please fix those 109s, spitfire Is and were all good.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by Winger

To all of you guys. I know the FM´s of Spit Ia and hurri are just as messed as the one of the 109. My only concern is that the spit IIa outclasses the 109 to a degree that makes flying for the blue team totally pointleass except when you are a masochistic person that likes to get banged.
I know people online that do VERY well in their hurricane against the 109. I mean fighting a good hurri pilot in a 109 on even energylevels is a real challenge for a good 109 pilot. Each side has its strengths wich, when used properly, lead you to a victory.
I also admit that the spit Ia is too slow but the Spit IIa just makes it totally pointless. So i dont say nerf it or anything. I just say use a planecombo that actually works well in multiplayer. Nothing else,

Winger

PS: And to 1C i say: Please fix those 109s, spitfire Is and were all good.

Why? Both are capable of 350. The Spit is mph, the Messer is km/h. what's the problem?

Who is experienced in on-line flying may not say sincerely that Spit IIa is an identical category with any of the other airplanes. Because of this, it should be ignored on the serious servers.

[Jugdriver]

Originally Posted by JG5_emil

The Spit II shouldn't be the representative aircraft for the RAF in BOB servers. It was a late entry and most of those produced weren't used during the BOB.

Wrong, it was in sercive during all of the BOB and made of 40% of the Spitfires at the end of the BOB.


JD
AKA_MattE

[Jugdriver]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

I am sry Osp but all of the above are myth hence wrong. It has been discussed and explained all over and over - not by me but by historians.

We hve the chance to re-enact those glory days for our own pleasures without any fear of blood, sweet and tears being shed. I wonder why some still have to turn history upside down.

As there is no diff btw a blue player and a red player If you want to fly the better fighter in the fray of that very specific times that's plain simple SWITCH to BLUE

This may be true in your version of history, but the idea that the 109 was a superior aircraft to the Spitfire is not true, they were very evenly matched during the BOB.

The lamest part of this discussion is not the fact that the Spit II is overmodeld, (which it is) It is that some on this thread think this is a great opportunity to talk out of their a$$ in terms of the performance differences of these aircraft and whether the Spit II should be part of this time frame (which it should). Hence the ONGOING SpitfireUFO vs. Luffiewiner argument continues.

How about just shut up and fly.


JD
AKA_MattE