Okay... So I just beat EVERY mission in sim mode...

[mar01006765]

Originally Posted by Flying Coffin

Ok, I'm quietly alarmed here.

Can somebody just confirm that the score you get at the end of the level is meaningless, the difficulty you play on has no bearing on the score anyway and also the higher difficulties don't offer anything in the way of extra aircraft unlocks.

Furthermore, the online multiplayer appears to be Dead At Launch and in order to unlock the full quota of extra planes and weapon loadouts I've got to play it in online multiplayer.

This is the general understanding, right?

Dead at launch?... the game hasn't been released everywhere yet, and alot ppl are probably playing thru single player before venturing online (i did this in gta4) I've found the best way to get in a MP game is to create one and ppl will join. (admittedly i've only tried that with arcade so far)

about unlocking planes being partly done in MP, I think from what ppl are saying here, that is the general impression i'm getting. feel sry for ppl who cant take their game online. they have been tricked.

i'm not bashing the game i love it. but having to go online to unlock planes is unfair. and no this doesnt happen on other games. and i'm not talking about dlc planes. i'm talking about planes which are on the disc but locked.

/rant

[Danny M NL]

@goat

since you've already beaten the game on sime I have a question for you, did you try it on sim immediately and succeeded in one go? and if so, did completing it on sim automatically unlock the achievements/trophies for arcade and realistic as well?

[PedroTheGoat]

Originally Posted by Danny M NL

@goat

since you've already beaten the game on sime I have a question for you, did you try it on sim immediately and succeeded in one go? and if so, did completing it on sim automatically unlock the achievements/trophies for arcade and realistic as well?

I believe it did actually.

[Flying Coffin]

Originally Posted by mar01006765

Dead at launch?... the game hasn't been released everywhere yet, and alot ppl are probably playing thru single player before venturing online (i did this in gta4) I've found the best way to get in a MP game is to create one and ppl will join. (admittedly i've only tried that with arcade so far)

about unlocking planes being partly done in MP, I think from what ppl are saying here, that is the general impression i'm getting. feel sry for ppl who cant take their game online. they have been tricked.

I tried the online multiplayer and found it very tedious indeed. I'm not going to reiterate all the flaws here, they've been well covered already all over these boards.

The lack of any incentive to score is a complete gamekiller for me, unfortunately. I was properly amazed to see no leaderboard for single player scores. The score at the end of a level/mission might as well not be there. In fact, Secondary Missions might as well not be there either since the majority of them appear to be "Leave the engagement area" and that's all. Being forced to endure such poor multiplayer for the full compliment of planes (which I can only use in multiplayer or training missions apparently, so I suppose it's no great loss at the end of the day) makes the whole thing somewhat joyless, and that's even though I like the look and feel of the game and enjoyed the campaign on Arcade. It's always a shame when a game with such potential dies out of the box, it truly is.

Thankfully though, I rented it instead of going for a straight buy so it's not all bad.

[House MD 221B]

if you hate it so much...... don't post, bad luck, many of us love it.

[Flying Coffin]

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

if you hate it so much...... don't post, bad luck, many of us love it.

I'm probably wasting my time here because you're obviously a fanboy and thus carrying all that close-minded bigotry that goes with that particular mindset.

But ...

Not kissing a game's ass in the way fanboys do does not necessarily mean that there's "hate" involved.

The fact is, if the devs patched the game so that the score or your progress through the difficulty settings unlocked the planes and loadouts, if they added leaderboards for the single player scores, if they fixed all the issues with the multiplayer ... the game would be a no-brainer buy for me and that's a fact. Even though nobody else is buying it and hardly anyone is bothering to stock it.

Birds Of Prey is nearly a great game. It's just a victim of some very odd design decisions that hurt it considerably and a release deadline its developers obviously had to meet before they'd finished work on the game. It also appears to be a victim of abject indifference by the gaming community as a whole. Maybe there's a connection.

The chances of that particular patch are nil btw. There will be no money for such a patch. Check out the forums. The game is stillborn. The game has already been released everywhere it matters.

It's just one of those things. Not hate, just acceptance. Take it or leave it.

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by Flying Coffin

I'm probably wasting my time here because you're obviously a fanboy and thus carrying all that close-minded bigotry that goes with that particular mindset.

But ...

Not kissing a game's ass in the way fanboys do does not necessarily mean that there's "hate" involved.

The fact is, if the devs patched the game so that the score or your progress through the difficulty settings unlocked the planes and loadouts, if they added leaderboards for the single player scores, if they fixed all the issues with the multiplayer ... the game would be a no-brainer buy for me and that's a fact. Even though nobody else is buying it and hardly anyone is bothering to stock it.

Birds Of Prey is nearly a great game. It's just a victim of some very odd design decisions that hurt it considerably and a release deadline its developers obviously had to meet before they'd finished work on the game. It also appears to be a victim of abject indifference by the gaming community as a whole. Maybe there's a connection.

The chances of that particular patch are nil btw. There will be no money for such a patch. Check out the forums. The game is stillborn. The game has already been released everywhere it matters.

It's just one of those things. Not hate, just acceptance. Take it or leave it.

You have a point, it is not a perfect game, (and house did sound like a bit of a fanboy there lol sorry but you did.) the devs probably were under pressure to release it now or it would get lost in the winter games rush, so somethings may feel rushed. But we have a game here that has tried to do something different, a flight combat sim on a console that isn't just arcade.
Now people on this forum are loving the gameplay, they are willing to look past its faults and are thinking what could be done better if given time and what a patch could fix. You say this feature is not great or that multiplayer sucks and no sp leader board and meaning less scores make the game not for you, thats fine, move on to the next game. To me score means nothing, to be able to fly these planes with flight realism far higher than anything else on console, while comfortably sitting in my home with a beer, is what is important and what makes the game great.

Now what you said about the game being still-born is a load of crap, I'm still only playing the demo waiting for my pre-order to arrive, half of Europe doesnt have the game yet along with Australia and NZ I believe, confusion in the US with pre-orders is still a problem for some people. Also this isn't a big hyped up release so there isn't a big rush on the first day where the whole world trys to get their copy, people will find and will buy over a longer period of time so multiplayer numbers will slowly increase. The developers have said there will be DLC and updates to fix somethings, why would they say that if they can't afford it? It has nothing to do with how well a game sells. Even the floppiest of flops in games get patches and DLC if the developers are committed.

[sniperpride]

I finished every mission on arcade and have not unlocked all the planes. I am playing online and havent unlocked anything there yet, even after winning rounds. And I have to add, the ME-262 is utterly horrible in the game. I cant even imagine why it is soooo bad. Speed, handling, Accel, it has some firepower but thats it. I know it needed some cover during take off, but it was a pretty decent plane back in the day. And lets be honest, most the bombers in the game could outhandle whatever plane they call the Me-262 in the game.

[redtiger02]

Originally Posted by sniperpride

I finished every mission on arcade and have not unlocked all the planes. I am playing online and havent unlocked anything there yet, even after winning rounds. And I have to add, the ME-262 is utterly horrible in the game. I cant even imagine why it is soooo bad. Speed, handling, Accel, it has some firepower but thats it. I know it needed some cover during take off, but it was a pretty decent plane back in the day. And lets be honest, most the bombers in the game could outhandle whatever plane they call the Me-262 in the game.

It's a 1st generation jet, and it does exactly what it really did. The 262 was a high-speed interceptor that was able to zip in and out of bomber formations trying to do significant damage in a single pass. There are very few incidents of a 262 entering a dogfight. The handling at high speeds is always going to give you a much higher turning radius and the acceleration is just part of the deal. Early jet engines did not accelerate rapidly, nor could they, otherwise the engines would overheat. The 262 engines suffered from poor metallurgy, primarily because we had bombed the living piss out of their best facilities by that point in the war. If you are looking for a 262 that handles Blazing Angels style, look elsewhere. A Spitfire could easily beat a 262 in a turning fight, but that wasn't the tactic of Komando Nowatny. Make a high-speed pass, try to bust the formation, then use the superior dive speed of the 262 to get away and reset the attack. I know it's a shock to have a WW II game where you actually have to deal with the strengths and weaknesses of different aircraft, but that's reality.

[House MD 221B]

Originally Posted by Flying Coffin

I'm probably wasting my time here because you're obviously a fanboy and thus carrying all that close-minded bigotry that goes with that particular mindset.

But ...

Not kissing a game's ass in the way fanboys do does not necessarily mean that there's "hate" involved.

The fact is, if the devs patched the game so that the score or your progress through the difficulty settings unlocked the planes and loadouts, if they added leaderboards for the single player scores, if they fixed all the issues with the multiplayer ... the game would be a no-brainer buy for me and that's a fact. Even though nobody else is buying it and hardly anyone is bothering to stock it.

Birds Of Prey is nearly a great game. It's just a victim of some very odd design decisions that hurt it considerably and a release deadline its developers obviously had to meet before they'd finished work on the game. It also appears to be a victim of abject indifference by the gaming community as a whole. Maybe there's a connection.

The chances of that particular patch are nil btw. There will be no money for such a patch. Check out the forums. The game is stillborn. The game has already been released everywhere it matters.

It's just one of those things. Not hate, just acceptance. Take it or leave it.

If you look around moron, ive posted many critical threads about areas i feel need improving, but theres clearly no point you being here since you've decided you hate it unconditionally, if thats the case trade it in, and piss off. your opinion obviously cant be swayed, so why bother posting. Its got plenty of holes, im no closed minded fan boy, ive given my opinion, but those things should get fixed over time. so read around before being an egregious ignoramous.