New info on multiplayer (lower your expectations on this thread first)

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Originally Posted by guiltyspark

You dont seem to grasp the idea very well
Dedicated servers cost alot of money

Just because microsoft is charging us money for their service doesnt mean that they should host dedicated servers.And them charging money for the service is most definately NOT greed , its essential to the growth of the xbox as a platform and keeps the servers up that connect millions of players together.

Sure it would be nice in fantasy land where money grows on trees , but for over 20 million people to play on.

The only reason it works for the PC is that gamers themselves are hosting 90% of the servers with their own hardware and money.

to assume that the same system is possible on consoles is frankly ignorant.

no offense

PS , dont bring up the fact that sony is doing it , because they are taking a huge loss and one day you will not be able to play killzone while gamers are still playing rainbow 6 vegas.

that is the main advantage of peer to peer gaming , if you have an opponent , you have a game.

once sony starts running out of funding for things like dedicated servers (which based on recent press will be soon) They will either have to start charging for their service (which would become a complete failure based on the fact that its main perk is being free , without that the service is useless)

or they will close down servers

Lets see $60 for a one year membership, and Xboxlive said in my quarterly stock report that for 2009 they estimate that they have 32 million gold members. At $60 a piece ? How are they losing money ? They could atleast give us the option of renting our own servers then .

You said "to assume that the same system is possible on consoles is frankly ignorant."

No one said the "same system" is possible. If you really think that some of these companies can't afford servers your very Naive.


Do you know anything about networking or buisness ?

I mean really, I'm just wondering.

You said "dont bring up the fact that sony is doing it , because they are taking a huge loss and one day you will not be able to play killzone while gamers are still playing rainbow 6 vegas. "


Well, sony is losing money because, they missed the boat when it came to online gaming and now they are playing catch up !!! They were Ignorant ! Stupid, scared little Bit**S when they said in 2001 "We feel that online gaming is a fad that will not represent the future of the gaming world "

This statment was the day I sold my 20,000 shares in sony. Its the day their stock fell and it has never recovered. They have lost money in every divison they have since 2000 except their console division ! They are behind the eight ball and I don't think they will ever come back. Thats why Sony is losing money and if you think its because of using real servers your crazy ! No Offense.
You must not know anything about the buisness world and what is going on financially in these companies.

I mean thats fine I don't really expect you to know.

I'm just telling you that servers are not the reason they are losing money.
KZ2 is one of the few games that Sony may be paying for servers for. Most of the real servers are provided by publishers, and maintained by the publishers.

Whats really funny is that you think that KZ2 has all these servers ! Haha
Man !! for real ,, the max one game has is 32 people. Well,one server can run 256 people. That means that 8 filled up (32player)game rooms are only using 1 server. At the most they have 50 servers to support the whole world gaming on them. This is pocket change ! Were talking like $10 grand for all their servers and thats if they bought them Brand spankin new !


"How much money do these publishers make ? "

Lets take COD 4 for a example ok, Now I'm also a activision stock holder and their report in may told me that they have 13 million online players currently on xboxlive(alone). Now at $60 a game thats $780,000,000. Now keep in mind that when the game was released they had $29 million in the total production and marketing of the game on release date. The thing is, that this is just how many current online gamers they have playing on xboxlive. They have sold way more copies of Cod4 then 13 million. I'm not exact on the figure,but last I heard it was around 35 million copies sold. Do the math !

Now,are you starting to get the idea of how much money they are making ?
This is just one game ! and it hasn't even reached its sales cycle end !!!
Have you ever thought about how many servers you can by with say 50 grand or even 200 thousand dollars?



The money that some of these publishers make is unreal ! And I repeat its GREED that they don't provide servers for some games. At the very least they could let us rent servers.

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