What is the issue with Grumman?

[Fhechene]

So, basically, Grumman got super offended because a cover art and Ubisoft had the legal dexterity of a shoe.

[Verdun1916]

Originally Posted by Fhechene

So, basically, Grumman got super offended because a cover art and Ubisoft had the legal dexterity of a shoe.

Bacically you have to pay Northrop-Grumman a licens fee to use brands that are legally theirs:

https://news.northropgrumman.com/res...and-copyrights

https://news.northropgrumman.com/res...censing-policy

So unless anyone is willing to pay the license fee's there is no way to have any more Grumman or Northrop aircraft added in an official patch.

I'm unsure on the posibilities to update already present AI-aircraft's, like the Avenger for example, to flyable status. But since it has not already been done I suspect it can't be done without paying N-G a license fee.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Fhechene

So, basically, Grumman got super offended because a cover art and Ubisoft had the legal dexterity of a shoe.

Basically.

Additionally, 1C had a number of aircraft and ships which Grumman claimed copyrights to in the game and it was just a few weeks before the game was to be shipped.

Grumman's lawyers were bigger and meaner than Ubisoft's, 1C seriously screwed up on copyright clearances, and any legal action would be expensive and screw up the game's release. The business decision saved Ubisoft and 1C a lot of grief.

I've always wondered if the consent decree would still stand if the original IL2 games were sold to another company. At this point it's 15 years old, which is ancient in computer years, so it might be possible for fans to buy the sim, void the consent decree, and possibly have a nominal corporation to continue to develop the sim in a country where copyright laws are a bit less restrictive.

[Verdun1916]

I wonder if it would be possible to make a deal with N-G for atleast an upgrade of the already present aircraft if funds could be raised for a license fee.

Let's say through the use of patreon or something similar.

[Music]

I think we should Tell Gruman that this is IL-2, the famous flight Simulator, and if they want their contribution to the Allied efforts in WW2 represented properly, they have a opportunity to have that showcase for their products free of charge here, in Il-2, the Famous Flight Simulator.

then we wait.....

[Verdun1916]

Originally Posted by Music

I think we should Tell Gruman that this is IL-2, the famous flight Simulator, and if they want their contribution to the Allied efforts in WW2 represented properly, they have a opportunity to have that showcase for their products free of charge here, in Il-2, the Famous Flight Simulator.

then we wait.....

I wish it was that easy!

[Fighterace]

Originally Posted by Verdun1916

I wonder if it would be possible to make a deal with N-G for atleast an upgrade of the already present aircraft if funds could be raised for a license fee.

Let's say through the use of patreon or something similar.

Why not start one??

[Verdun1916]

Originally Posted by Fighterace

Why not start one??

I think that would be up to TD.

I don't even know if it's possible to pay the license fees necessary for an update or if Northrop-Grumman hold any old grudges towards this game due to the past sins of it's creators.

[Music]

No word from Grumman?

Alrighty, lets make a new deal Grumman, you make the models, and submit your request to Daidalos Team, and we'll consider adding you to Il-2 the famous flight simulator.

do you wanna keep procrastinating Grumman...

Seriously, I can't understand such a Historic Moment represented in a long lived PC game is almost void of their product, which did a lot to save the world, and they don't care...
Are they owned by Americans anymore?

[Verdun1916]

Originally Posted by Music

No word from Grumman?

Alrighty, lets make a new deal Grumman, you make the models, and submit your request to Daidalos Team, and we'll consider adding you to Il-2 the famous flight simulator.

do you wanna keep procrastinating Grumman...

Seriously, I can't understand such a Historic Moment represented in a long lived PC game is almost void of their product, which did a lot to save the world, and they don't care...
Are they owned by Americans anymore?

This is a subject that has been debated to death.
But to put it simple, this is not a game, it's business. And any product made by Northrop-Grumman or any other businesses affiliated with this company dating all the way back to their foundations are trademarked by N-G. And like anything else that is trademarked or copyright protected you have to pay a license fee to use it commercially unless the owner of the trademark or copyright agrees to something else or noone is around to hold the rights to the trademark or copyright.

Northrop-Grumman don't give a flying f*ck about an almost 20 year old flight sim unless they can make money out of it!
It's not some small avionics business you are refering to, it's one of the biggest avionics companies in the world, heavily involved in the US defence industry aswell as much else. They are all about making money and running a business! And one of their sources of income is people paying license fees to use trademarks they own!

It would be damn bad business for them to make an exception for a near 20 year old flight sim like IL-2 no matter how much we (the players) love this sim!
We can think that it's silly as much as we want, but it doesn't change the fact that they don't have any obligtions towards IL-2 nor it's fans and players. And it doesn't change the fact how the business world works, especially in the US were making money is religion!

Are you willing to help pay such a license fee to get more Northrop-Grumman related aircrafts into the game? Because the only way to get IL-2 1946 officially updated in regards of any Northrop-Grumman product is to pay the license fees and hope that Northrop-Grumman won't hold any old grudges towards this game due to the past sins of it's creators!