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Old 11-12-2016, 01:26 PM
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http://www.filedropper.com/133100894-ki-45-toryu
i find also this one i hope major.kudo's help

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Old 11-12-2016, 01:52 PM
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I forgot to tell.
Ki-45Kai has each one hardpoint under the main wings.
These could suspend propellant tank, or the cluster bomb called "TA munition" could be loaded.

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In P.46 a picture of the middle is that.
Plane is "Hei" model.

"TA munition" was also dropped on heavy bombers formation.
But even Veterans seems to have been difficult to make them hit.
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Old 11-13-2016, 09:32 AM
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I made a picture.
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Old 11-13-2016, 11:18 AM
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thanks major for the explanation
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:55 AM
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I forgot to tell.
Ki-45Kai has each one hardpoint under the main wings.
These could suspend propellant tank, or the cluster bomb called "TA munition" could be loaded.
The hard points could also be used to carry conventional (up to 250 kg each) bombs.

All but the night fighter version of the Otsu, and late versions of the Tei, also carried flexible, rear-firing 7.9 mm Type 98 machine gun.

Some later factory-built Night Fighter versions (Hei according to Major.Kudo's diagram, possibly described as late Otsu in other books) didn't have nose guns because it was intended that radar be mounted there. But only a few were equipped with it.

There were a number of field mods that aren't specifically described in the Francillon book, so I guess that the Toryu could carry just about any suitable gun in the IJAF arsenal.

There is also confusion between what counts as the "Otsu" vs. "Hei" versions. Older Western sources sometimes mistake Otsu for Hei or Tei versions, or substitute a Latin letter for the appropriate Japanese character when indicating production block. I'd trust the Bunrindo book over Francillon.

a = ko
b = otsu
c = hei
d = tei
improved = kai

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Old 11-14-2016, 01:01 PM
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Did some planes of the ko and otsu versions have machine guns in the roof?
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Old 11-15-2016, 04:02 PM
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Did some planes of the ko and otsu versions have machine guns in the roof?
Upper gun was distributed and Attached by the conversion kit called "Tei Equipment".
When this was Attached in the "Hei" of existence, that was "Tei".
Conversion kit isn't used and it's said that there was also a produced plane as "Tei" from the beginning.

Maybe "Tei Equipment" distribution was performed after "Hei" becomes general.
However, at least one picture of "Ko" with Upper gun is exists.
But guns are Ho-103.
I have never seen a picture of the "Otsu" with Upper gun.

Only 10 planes of "Tei" equipped with "TaKi-4" radar was produced.
Pursuivant also says it too, a nose of a plane becomes glazed and there not have nose gun.
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Old 11-15-2016, 11:18 PM
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Like Major.Kudo says.

FWIW, Francillon says that an unspecified number of Ki-45 (probably of what he calls the Ki-45KAIb block) were field modified to carry oblique firing cannons. That's the field modified nightfighter version in my chart.

The conversion proved successful, so some or all of the next production block were built as night fighters.

The next block after that was built as an anti-shipping version, but some were also fitted as night fighters.

If you've trying to create night fighter variant of the Ki-45, I think that you've got five options:

Field modified Ki-45 Ko (possibly Otsu), possibly with rear MG
Ki-45 Hei early with 2 x Ho-103 cannon, possibly with rear MG
Ki-45 Hei late with 2 x Ho-5 20mm cannon, no rear MG
Ki-45 Tei (modified from Hei) as Tei, but no nose guns, 2 x Ho-5 20 mm cannon in oblique mount.
Ki-45 Tei (modified from Hei) as above, but TaKi-4 centimetric radar installed in nose.

Of the list above, I think that the "definitive" Ki-45 night fighter version would probably be the Ki-45 Hei late production block, without radar.

But, my understanding is that there were many field mods to the Ki-45 since it was such a versatile aircraft, and because isolated IJAF units had to improvise. So, any night fighter variant of what IL2 calls the Otsu, with 2 oblique-mounted Ho-103 or Ho-105 cannons, will probably be realistic, or at least "realistic enough."

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Old 11-16-2016, 09:42 AM
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yes but i think all the night fighters variants remained on paper because the j1n was produced
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Old 11-18-2016, 08:07 PM
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sorry for the french langage !! translated yourself...
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