FWs Durabillity

[falconilia]

After dozen and dozen tests FW A8 VS 4 Wellington III,B17,B29,and online games my conlcusions are:
FWs can be shot down:
A)You hit and destroy its ailerons/elevators
B)Pilot killed
C)Damaged engine with also damaged wing but being at low alt
D)Fuel tank fire
E)Destroy/cut off elevators(if u aim the tail its easy)
F)All the above

You can not:
A)Set fire on engine including 20mm guns
B)Cut wing(flying P47 and trying to aim only the wings in photo one it took 75 bullets and in photo 2 147 bullets.In 3rd photo you can see the heavier damage can take one wing from 0.50s.

PS:This is not a 4.13 issue.This bug? was also was on 4.12 but i thought someone would notice it

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by falconilia

B)Cut wing(flying P47 and trying to aim only the wings in photo one it took 75 bullets and in photo 2 147 bullets.In 3rd photo you can see the heavier damage can take one wing from 0.50s.

I know that I have shot off the wings of 190s more than once. Though usually with some Russian armament, which frequently features 20mm cannon(s).

And you can kill the engine totally, but set it on fire -doubtful if I've ever seen it- it is at least not common. And though not as common as with other birds - Fw190s can go 1 million pieces puzzle, too.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by majorfailure

I know that I have shot off the wings of 190s more than once. Though usually with some Russian armament, which frequently features 20mm cannon(s).

That's entirely reasonable. I would be surprised if a couple of 20mm hits to the wings DIDN'T blow the wing off a fighter, or at least render it virtually unflyable.

[falconilia]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

That's entirely reasonable. I would be surprised if a couple of 20mm hits to the wings DIDN'T blow the wing off a fighter, or at least render it virtually unflyable.

With 20mm its not hard.
P38 has one 20mm and it can destroy the wing with the help of 0.50s or not!

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by falconilia

A)Set fire on engine including 20mm guns
B)Cut wing(flying P47 and trying to aim only the wings in photo one it took 75 bullets and in photo 2 147 bullets.In 3rd photo you can see the heavier damage can take one wing from 0.50s.

Something that would help make your case would be taking screenshots with Arcade Mode on.

That is, go into your conf.ini file and using a text editor alter "Arcade=0" to "Arcade=1"

In arcade mode when a plane takes damage you'll see a big "arrow" through it which marks the bullet trajectory. Explosions give a "starburst" effect, like in KG26_Alpha's post. This is a tremendously valuable tool for A) checking the accuracy of your gunnery. B) Determining exactly where a bullet goes when troubleshooting DM problems.

It IS possible to take the wing off a FW-190 using machine guns in the game, but you need to get sufficient concentration of fire on one location, as I said before. In particular, you have to get enough bullets through the main wing spar, which might be hard against a hard-maneuvering target.

While the IL2 damage textures have little to do with where bullets actually go, in the P-47 vs. FW-190 duel, it looks like the P-47 sprayed a whole lot of lead randomly into the 190's wings without getting that concentration.

But, in fairness to your argument, something that may or may not be modeled in IL2 is ammo explosions. And, one of the few design flaws of the FW-190 was that its 20mm cannon ammo magazine was right next to the main wing spar. One bullet in the right place could cause a secondary explosion that could rip the wing off, as shown here at 0:21 on the video:

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65...ng-over-clouds

Note the relative lack of prior 0.50 caliber impacts on the wings prior to the blast.

[falconilia]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

It IS possible to take the wing off a FW-190 using machine guns in the game, but you need to get sufficient concentration of fire on one location, as I said before. In particular, you have to get enough bullets through the main wing spar, which might be hard against a hard-maneuvering target.

While the IL2 damage textures have little to do with where bullets actually go, in the P-47 vs. FW-190 duel, it looks like the P-47 sprayed a whole lot of lead randomly into the 190's wings without getting that concentration.

But, in fairness to your argument, something that may or may not be modeled in IL2 is ammo explosions. And, one of the few design flaws of the FW-190 was that its 20mm cannon ammo magazine was right next to the main wing spar. One bullet in the right place could cause a secondary explosion that could rip the wing off, as shown here at 0:21 on the video:

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65...ng-over-clouds

Note the relative lack of prior 0.50 caliber impacts on the wings prior to the blast.

Honestly i have never succeeded to take FWs wing with 0.50 guns on 4.12 and now on 4.13 patch.Have you?
But on previous patches with close convergence 175-200 it was the best tactic to destroy a FW as i had good concentration.

0.50s are good mgs.You can destroy every fighters wing even ill2 or N1K George.Not easy but with lots of bullets no matter how the concentration is.