Q & A for Dark side (helps with quests)

[jahes64]

Same for my Demoness. Even the tiniest enemy plays martyr after having noticed my 30.000+-Ledership-Army. Ridiculous!

Well, My female vampire stack in fact had a leadership of ~180,000 and other stacks were in fact ~80,000 leadership armies. Without leadership reduction items i couldn't have such a huge army. I couldn't manage with this huge army, let alone a 30,000 army which is several fold smaller! Next time i won't waste my time for this absurd medal.

OK, this is very interesting! In Warriors of the North there is also an Easter Egg with the Old Shoes. And another one with the Clay Bowl! So, there might be a chance, that there is another Easter Egg in Dark Side, related to the Clay Bowl, too. Maybe on Drokkentier!

Is there a way to find these things out by opining some game file?

Did you check, if there is a limit of princesses to get? If not, maybe one can figure out, how many princesses Oncologon needs to get the "Dragon Riders"-Quest solved!

I noticed that this princess gain is a one-time thing if Rorik is chosen as king.
Its seems that there is a bug that let you get more if Erik is chosen as king.
Sorry for misinformation and thanks for replies given.

Also it is a huge shame that this game does not spawn all spell and items -at least all of which that have been added in darkside- in every game.

[J.B.]

Originally Posted by jahes64

...Is there a way to find these things out by opining some game file?

I'm sorry, I have no idea if this is possible. The only thing I know, is that the Easter Egg with the Clay Bowl in Warriors of the North is related to the Dragon in Verlon Wasteland, so I thought that, if there is a similar Easter Egg in Dark Side, it could be related to one of the Dragons on Drokkentier. Could be the one, who imprisoned the princesses you can free, because you can fight him, when you visit his flying island on another trip to Drokkentier....but this does not work in every playthrough (only met him once) and I have no idea why.

Originally Posted by jahes64

I noticed that this princess gain is a one-time thing if Rorik is chosen as king.
Its seems that there is a bug that let you get more if Erik is chosen as king.
Sorry for misinformation and thanks for replies given.

No problem! I will check it out in my next attempt.

Originally Posted by jahes64

Also it is a huge shame that this game does not spawn all spell and items -at least all of which that have been added in darkside- in every game.

I agree. At least they should implement all scrolls needed for the quests. The major problem is, that some of the islands seems to be deserted regarding runes, chests, scrolls and stuff, but on other islands you have plenty of them. I think that is the result of a lack of time while finishing the game towards the given milestone "Publication".

And the biggest issue for me is, that so many clues for the relationship between different quests and questlines are missing. Even when you read everything carefully, you have to guess most of the time or will never have a clue, that there might be some links to other quests, persons or objects. I guess, that is the reason, why there is no detailed walkthrough, containing all quests, options and possibilities the game offers, to find. I wonder if there is such a script in developers hands?!

BR

J.B.

[jahes64]

I'm sorry, I have no idea if this is possible. The only thing I know, is that the Easter Egg with the Clay Bowl in Warriors of the North is related to the Dragon in Verlon Wasteland, so I thought that, if there is a similar Easter Egg in Dark Side, it could be related to one of the Dragons on Drokkentier. Could be the one, who imprisoned the princesses you can free, because you can fight him, when you visit his flying island on another trip to Drokkentier....but this does not work in every playthrough (only met him once) and I have no idea why.

Yeah, i remember that. When i played WotN, i didin't know about it. And when i played it again with Fire and Ice DLC activated, i chose not to equip it on my head, because in addition to extra xp and gold that you could get out of the fight, one of new items that were added with DLC was bond to Dragons, And killing enough number of Dragons (This encounter had enough dragons to fully charge that artifact) with it equipped would give you extra Attack, Defense or Intellect point, which obviously was better than a single Black Dragon Egg.

Next time i will try the bowl with that dragon that you mentioned. According to KBScanner there is a shop at Drokkentier that sell a [low level] scroll, which i couldn't find, so it could be true! Btw, i think after kidnapping those 3 Princesses, you have to leave Drokkentier for once and then return back for that dragon to appear.

At least they should implement all scrolls needed for the quests.

I never got stuck in any quest because of this issue. I mean, there was a quest that required teleport scroll, i checked my save with KBScanner and it pointed only to one character. But the mage at the shelter also had it, just not in the store. You had to get it via conversation (for free). There was another instance at Baraz-Gund that i had to buy something for 50k from someone who was going to be one of election candidates, but then again i could get it for free from engineer at the shelter. I think in this case, main problem is with quest log and the way it "guides" people.

And the biggest issue for me is, that so many clues for the relationship between different quests and questlines are missing. Even when you read everything carefully, you have to guess most of the time or will never have a clue, that there might be some links to other quests, persons or objects. I guess, that is the reason, why there is no detailed walkthrough, containing all quests, options and possibilities the game offers, to find. I wonder if there is such a script in developers hands?!

Yeah, this is one of main issues. Also i noticed some bugs that make some spell, items and units useless.

Sacrifice spell can not be cast on summoned creatures. (blood Priestesses can cast their own talent on summoned creatures)

Call of Death spell can only be cast on YOUR OWN completely destroyed units, which makes it completely absurd and pointless, because you can't make undead out of destroyed enemy units. (Necromancers can cast their similar talent on any completely destroyed troop for thrice)

As for items, i found lizardman related items at shops, which are completely useless, because lizardmen unfortunately do not exist in this game (Although i encountered some of them when i tried to upgrade the item in question).

Also another problem was the fact, that most items that give bonus to humans, only give bonus to light humans, not the dark ones which certainly are humans too! (same for dark elves and dark dwarfs)

And some items were not equitable at all and were marked as "normal items" instead of "Artifact" for instance!

As for units, Metamorphs could not be resurrected!

Light units were as rare and it could get!

Some neutral units such as Black Dragons were available at small number. I got only 3 of them in my play-through plus 3 eggs. With diplomacy we can lure one of them from every wandering stack containing black dragons (we won't encounter lot of these stacks), but it is not acceptable.

And there were another group of neutrals such as ice Dragons and Ice spiders that we couldn't get anyway.

And there is a problem with female vampires that if you equip several items that reduce undead/vampire/female leadership requirement, they go hostile when you activate their Transformation talent.

This things also are big problems in my opinion.

Hey, i have a question, i have completed that part of "Military Department" that i had to bring 10000 prisoners to Sorug. Now i can still give 1000 prisoners to him for 1 magic rune. Is there any limit to this? Is there any point in doing this? Does it lead to anywhere? Is there anyone else who would take prisoners but give something else?


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Also how to make Sorug sell things to me?
And how to make lou pose for the painter? Portrait conversation ends with something like "i will prove to you" and then there is no clue how to follow it up.

[J.B.]

Originally Posted by jahes64

Yeah, i remember that. When i played WotN, i didin't know about it. And when i played it again with Fire and Ice DLC activated, i chose not to equip it on my head, because in addition to extra xp and gold that you could get out of the fight, one of new items that were added with DLC was bond to Dragons, And killing enough number of Dragons (This encounter had enough dragons to fully charge that artifact) with it equipped would give you extra Attack, Defense or Intellect point, which obviously was better than a single Black Dragon Egg.

Next time i will try the bowl with that dragon that you mentioned. According to KBScanner there is a shop at Drokkentier that sell a [low level] scroll, which i couldn't find, so it could be true! Btw, i think after kidnapping those 3 Princesses, you have to leave Drokkentier for once and then return back for that dragon to appear.

I've never played the I&F-Add-On with WOTN, but, I will give it a try (after my next DS-playthrough! ).

Could that shop on Drokkentier be the Dragon on the big Island, because you can chosse to fight him, when you met him for the first time iirc!? If not, there really is a chance, that the Clay Bowl might work.

The Dragon that kidnapped the three princesses, appeared in only one of my playthroughs when I returned to Drokkentier the second time. I have no idea if there is a trigger for his appearance.

Originally Posted by jahes64

I never got stuck in any quest because of this issue. I mean, there was a quest that required teleport scroll, i checked my save with KBScanner and it pointed only to one character. But the mage at the shelter also had it, just not in the store. You had to get it via conversation (for free). There was another instance at Baraz-Gund that i had to buy something for 50k from someone who was going to be one of election candidates, but then again i could get it for free from engineer at the shelter. I think in this case, main problem is with quest log and the way it "guides" people.

I fully agree with your last sentence. Regarding the scrolls, my biggest problem always was the "New Spells"-Quest.

Originally Posted by jahes64

...And some items were not equitable at all and were marked as "normal items" instead of "Artifact" for instance!...

I've found some of those normal items too and still have no idea how they work. Really confusing, because of the detailed description in the tooltipps of these items.

Originally Posted by jahes64

...This things also are big problems in my opinion....

100% agree!

Originally Posted by jahes64

Hey, i have a question, i have completed that part of "Military Department" that i had to bring 10000 prisoners to Sorug. Now i can still give 1000 prisoners to him for 1 magic rune. Is there any limit to this? Is there any point in doing this? Does it lead to anywhere? Is there anyone else who would take prisoners but give something else?

I think the might runes you get from Sorug are only limited by the number of prisoners you are able to find. Maybe it's a kind of substitute for the missing rune exchangment!? As far as I remember, there were no other NPCs that take prisoners as long as they are not needed for a quest.

Originally Posted by jahes64

Also how to make Sorug sell things to me?
And how to make lou pose for the painter? Portrait conversation ends with something like "i will prove to you" and then there is no clue how to follow it up.

I can't remember that Sorug had to sell something, except units.

For Lou you should now talk to the new King of Galenirim about an art exhibition. Could be, that you have to talk to the painter or Demiurge first, but I think a conversation with the king should do it.

BR

J.B.

[jahes64]

I've never played the I&F-Add-On with WOTN, but, I will give it a try (after my next DS-playthrough! ).

I strongly suggest that you play WotN with DLC activated. I wouldn't play it again without the DLC. With DLC you get to explore 3 more islands before battling that huge undead spider. I&F adds 3 races to the game: Snow Elves, Lizardmen and Dead Lizardmen, plus new units to existing races. In addition to this you get some super expensive and nice items plus some real nice sets. many units have been removed ar Daekside. Darkside units are not even half of I&F.
As for the item that i told you about, you can buy one from the snake temple at the Cave accessible only from Snow Garden. Also you can buy another one at Demonis from Lew klisan. Each for 500k, but note that only one of them fills when you kill dragons, so it is pointless to buy both, unless you want to break one for runes.

Could that shop on Drokkentier be the Dragon on the big Island, because you can chosse to fight him, when you met him for the first time iirc!? If not, there really is a chance, that the Clay Bowl might work.

The Dragon that kidnapped the three princesses, appeared in only one of my playthroughs when I returned to Drokkentier the second time. I have no idea if there is a trigger for his appearance.

As i remember you have to kidnap his princesses, travel/teleport to another island and then come back. Then you will meet him there and if you talk to him he says something like "it was you who as others say stole my princesses in my absence" and you are forced to kill him. So yeah, it is possible that clay bowl (or something else) may play a role here.

I think the might runes you get from Sorug are only limited by the number of prisoners you are able to find. Maybe it's a kind of substitute for the missing rune exchangment!? As far as I remember, there were no other NPCs that take prisoners as long as they are not needed for a quest.

I was offered with magic runes, type of the runes seem to be related to the hero's class. I gave him my 15000 prisoner and got 15 more magic runes, now i have 90 useless magic runes. Well, i my opinion this is a useless thing if has been made to compensate for lack of rune-exchangement. This game is such a mystery that no one has made a real guide for it. heh.

I can't remember that Sorug had to sell something, except units.

According to KBScanner, he sells 4 items and 150 Orc Scouts. But there is no option that makes me able to buy anything from him!
There is just 2 options, first of which is for offering prisoners and the last one is for goodbye.

For Lou you should now talk to the new King of Galenirim about an art exhibition. Could be, that you have to talk to the painter or Demiurge first, but I think a conversation with the king should do it.

Thanks for the info. I got this portrait too. But for picture quest i had to give all ten pictures in one go. Maybe devs have changed things later.

And also i noticed that Nergal buys rest of pictures, each for 1M or 3 of each rune. (There is a bug though, he does pay for "quest item" of Feline Delacourt's portrait (4 of which you receive during one of initial quests and have to deliver to nearby inns), not the Artifact one that could be equipped!)

[jahes64]

I forgot to say that i couldn't finish these 3 quests. Are all 3 know to be buggy?

Sabotage Media
Dragon Riders
Military Department

Plus, only 3 times i got new titles throughout this game.is it normal?

[J.B.]

Originally Posted by jahes64

I strongly suggest that you play WotN with DLC activated. I wouldn't play it again without the DLC. With DLC you get to explore 3 more islands before battling that huge undead spider. I&F adds 3 races to the game: Snow Elves, Lizardmen and Dead Lizardmen, plus new units to existing races. In addition to this you get some super expensive and nice items plus some real nice sets. many units have been removed ar Daekside. Darkside units are not even half of I&F.
As for the item that i told you about, you can buy one from the snake temple at the Cave accessible only from Snow Garden. Also you can buy another one at Demonis from Lew klisan. Each for 500k, but note that only one of them fills when you kill dragons, so it is pointless to buy both, unless you want to break one for runes.

Ok, I will give I&F a try. Sounds really interesting! And I'm excited to see the new Units.

Originally Posted by jahes64

As i remember you have to kidnap his princesses, travel/teleport to another island and then come back. Then you will meet him there and if you talk to him he says something like "it was you who as others say stole my princesses in my absence" and you are forced to kill him. So yeah, it is possible that clay bowl (or something else) may play a role here.

The Problem for me was, that the Dragon was there in only one of my playthroughs. Once I saw him and saved on the big island, where you can buy things form the Dragon, but when I reloaded it, he was gone! So, I guess this is a Little bug too. Next time, I will go directly to him and check, if the Clay Bowl will work.

Originally Posted by jahes64

I was offered with magic runes, type of the runes seem to be related to the hero's class. I gave him my 15000 prisoner and got 15 more magic runes, now i have 90 useless magic runes. Well, i my opinion this is a useless thing if has been made to compensate for lack of rune-exchangement. This game is such a mystery that no one has made a real guide for it. heh.

Sad, but true. Btw, as demoness I was offered Might-Runes from Sorug.

Originally Posted by jahes64

According to KBScanner, he sells 4 items and 150 Orc Scouts. But there is no option that makes me able to buy anything from him!
There is just 2 options, first of which is for offering prisoners and the last one is for goodbye.

Maybe he offers the items only, after completing the "Military Department"-Quest....and we know that it is impossible to complete.

Originally Posted by jahes64

Thanks for the info. I got this portrait too. But for picture quest i had to give all ten pictures in one go. Maybe devs have changed things later.

Or, you can choose only, when you have more than 10 Portraits. I got this choose-option in all of my playthroughs.

Originally Posted by jahes64

And also i noticed that Nergal buys rest of pictures, each for 1M or 3 of each rune. (There is a bug though, he does pay for "quest item" of Feline Delacourt's portrait (4 of which you receive during one of initial quests and have to deliver to nearby inns), not the Artifact one that could be equipped!)

Thanks for sharing this information! Another thing I didn't know.

To discover almost everything, it seems that you have to talk all people in the game every time after having had a new conversion, after having bought a new item or after having made progress in one of the quests.....and all this having different chains of action in your mind to figure out the correct chronology! All this assumed a game without bugs.


All three questlines you mentioned cannot be finished as far as I know, but I don't know if this is the result of bugs or "only" wrong chronology, missed triggers or false decisions.

Iirc, I got more than 3 different titles in the game.

BR

J.B.

[jahes64]

Thanks for the answers. I really hope that eventually we get a polished edition of DarkSide, like previous 2 titles.

[Aesandil]

When it comes to deposing kings...

I don't suppose there is anyone who has ever tried to run with the "exile" option? I was wondering if it could perhaps result in meeting the kings later on in the game, thus triggering some extra events. But that's probably wishful thinking.

[J.B.]

Originally Posted by Aesandil

When it comes to deposing kings...

I don't suppose there is anyone who has ever tried to run with the "exile" option? I was wondering if it could perhaps result in meeting the kings later on in the game, thus triggering some extra events. But that's probably wishful thinking.

I never tried it, in deed, but I never had a thought on that….might be worth a try.

If I remember correctly, you do not always have the option to depose a king….sometimes it's only a choice between arresting (king is in your bag) or killing.

I'm curious about the dialogue on Sandy Island when the quest regarding the kings should start!

B.R.

J.B.