TBF Avenger and other planes

[ElAurens]

Sadly I think in a few years the new sim will be history.

I don't think they understand the market, or the needs of the player base.

On an up note, my new computer build has finally allowed me to play the Finnish Hawk Campaign in this sim.

Just got back into it, but enjoying it, even though I'm stuck in Fokkers and Hurries for the moment. As you know I'm not much of an off line guy, but a well crafted off line experience is well worth the time spent.

[Furio]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Sadly I think in a few years the new sim will be history.

El is right, I fear.

Even if not, there is a huge difference in development cost for each new plane type between the “New Game” and “Good Old Il2”. Ten to one? Twenty to one? Perhaps more, and I can’t even guess the ratio if we talk about carriers.

In short, I think the chances to have in the New Game a plane set comparable to Good Old Il2 are really slim.

[Fighterace]

Shame there's no P-61 either

[Furio]

Originally Posted by Fighterace

Shame there's no P-61 either

That’s another type under the Gxxxxxn-Nxxxxxxp ban. I would love to have it flyable, of course, but, giving the time and resources limitation faced by developers (read: TD), choices are unavoidable.

My preference would go to complete already existing scenarios, such as the already mentioned Pacific Theatre. To me, it makes more sense to complete what we have, than have more incomplete scenarios. And – don’t shoot at me – I would shelve the whole night bombers-night fighters lot. Flying night interceptors would be simply to follow a different kind of mini-map, and then fire on a black silhouette barely visible in the dark. Flying bombers, it would be simply sit and wait for invisible fighters coming out from nowhere.

That’s my opinion, of course.

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by Furio

My preference would go to complete already existing scenarios, such as the already mentioned Pacific Theatre. To me, it makes more sense to complete what we have, than have more incomplete scenarios. And – don’t shoot at me – I would shelve the whole night bombers-night fighters lot. Flying night interceptors would be simply to follow a different kind of mini-map, and then fire on a black silhouette barely visible in the dark. Flying bombers, it would be simply sit and wait for invisible fighters coming out from nowhere.

That’s my opinion, of course.

Right with you there. Basically you'd either shoot at barely visible targets - and the bomber AI either is too good and guns you down the instant you open fire, or too bad and you shoot fish in a barrel. And as custom or selectable belting has been requested many times and has not been done, I'd suppose that it is not that easy to do. And with current tracers and muzzle flashes, night fighting is merely a joke - you are blind the instant you fire, and all of the enemies open up at you at once.

And having a flyable late war German bomber would definitley add to this sim - any of them.

[gaunt1]

Originally Posted by majorfailure

And having a flyable late war German bomber would definitley add to this sim - any of them.

Even if its only a He-111H16! That would be relatively easy to add. As far as I know, TD cooperated with yt2, who made the Ju-88A5 and Ju-88P. He did a brilliant He-111 pack, not only adding new variants (including H16), but fixing older, like H6 (missing a front ventral gun, to name one serious problem) too!
Including some variants from his He-111 pack would be a really good addition!
A fixed H2, H6, H12 and a new H16 would be more than enough.

[Sita]

Yt2 for now already part of DT )

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by majorfailure

Right with you there. Basically you'd either shoot at barely visible targets - and the bomber AI either is too good and guns you down the instant you open fire, or too bad and you shoot fish in a barrel.

I think that the appeal of night operations is mostly in the night-fighter end, since there's an art to tracking bombers using GCI and AI radar.

Night bombing might have some appeal, but unless we get some of the night bombing aids, it's mostly an exercise in instrument flying and dead reckoning. Challenging, but not unique to IL2 or to night bombers.

Originally Posted by majorfailure

And as custom or selectable belting has been requested many times and has not been done, I'd suppose that it is not that easy to do. And with current tracers and muzzle flashes, night fighting is merely a joke - you are blind the instant you fire, and all of the enemies open up at you at once.

Actually, unless you're flying in a dark room, the player ISN'T blinded by bright lights at night. That means your virtual pilot or tail gunner retains his night vision when he should be dazzled by searchlights, explosions or muzzle flashes.

Originally Posted by majorfailure

And having a flyable late war German bomber would definitely add to this sim - any of them.

There is the Ar-234, which is about as late war as German bombers get. But I don't think that's what you had in mind

[Sita]

yeah i want flyable Fw-200 too))

need find the person who could)

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

Actually, unless you're flying in a dark room, the player ISN'T blinded by bright lights at night. That means your virtual pilot or tail gunner retains his night vision when he should be dazzled by searchlights, explosions or muzzle flashes.

Okay if compared to real life -the player is not blinded. The muzzle flash temporarily outshines all other ingame objects, and the slightly more blackish grey of the enemy bomber gets lost against the greyish black of the background. If lucky enough, rinse, wash, repeat. Usually and unlucky - ram bomber you don't see any more. Extra unlucky and very common, given away position, and getting pounded by all bombers nearby.
Another thing that would be useful and maybe even necessary - flames and or glow of exhausts.

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

There is the Ar-234, which is about as late war as German bombers get. But I don't think that's what you had in mind

Yeah, this thing is fun. No one can catch you(almost). And that's also not too desireable for balance. And it was a rare bird. I was more thinking along the lines of a Do-217/He-177 (already there as AI model).

Originally Posted by Furio

After all that ponderous planning in my previous post, I should have added IMHO… And must admit: I have my personal, far from rational favourites: the Whirlwind and the B26 Marauder… Both would need new maps, very unlikely! Sigh…

Whirlwind can use Normandy map. Or the fake British isles (Kuban if I'm not mistaken?) - and it would be highly welcome even without a map.
B-26 is one of my favourites, too, but to be honest -its roles can largley and without too much hassle be occupied by B-25/A-20. As sad as it is, there is no real need for this beautiful plane.