ROF online shenanigan.

[Forgottenfighter]

I'm really not trying to knock the team or anything, the idea has its benefits, so long as the game can also be played without an internet connection. Thanks for all the replies so far.

[flyingbullseye]

That's just the problem, you can't play it without an internet connection. There are two huge discussions going on over at simHQ about it and most are not happy. There are a couple that are in support of it, and that's fine but as many are stating this is going to be a bad move. Most there will agree that this is due to pirating, ironicly enough this move may cause the sim to be pirated in much larger numbers to get around the online only connection. Maybe the devs will see the error of their ways with the bad sales and change it in the near future.

Flyingbullseye

[tagTaken2]

Either that, or a crack to play offline will come out, and coincide with a huge jump in sales.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by tagTaken2

Either that, or a crack to play offline will come out, and coincide with a huge jump in sales.

That worries me. If that happens, they will think they have been successful with this. Non-sales they will notice, sales after piracy are still sales, so not a loss to be recognised.

I won't be pirating this, I don't ever, there are too many great old games available for very little money to go that route. Some of the old games are rubbish (or not to my taste, but I suspect it's a combination of that and some being rubbish), but there are some very good ones.

[tagTaken2]

I'm starting to wonder what people mean when they say 'piracy'.

For me, a no-cd crack that I use on my legally purchased cd is not piracy.

Downloading a hacked copy because my legally purchased cd is going to require me to connect to the internet is a bit dubious, but hey, I paid for the game, I'm damn well going to play it.

But for me, as long as I've purchased the game, I haven't technically 'pirated'. That's reserved for people who haven't paid for the game.

Are we even allowed to talk about this here ??

[Robert]

I just sent off an email to neoqb discussing how many postings from these and other forums have expressed disatisfaction at their business model.

I can't fathom why they think this would be a good idea. I urge others to do the same at: hello@neoqb.com


MAYBE they might listen to the customers who send letters instead of posting on web site forums. I've been looking forward to this game as long as anyone. To have the shirt tails pulled out so close to release like this is not funny and in poor taste.

[flyingbullseye]

Originally Posted by tagTaken2

But for me, as long as I've purchased the game, I haven't technically 'pirated'. That's reserved for people who haven't paid for the game. Are we even allowed to talk about this here ??

Don't know though a moderater will say yes or no. As to the piracy, personally if you purchase the game and install a no cd crack I don't feel it's pirated. Downloading a hacked copy even though you purchased a legal copy is a double edged sword. On one hand you purchased a legal copy that goes to the people that it should. The hacked copy only encourages the piracy, but as you said its a bit dubious.

Robert, even people on ROF's website blog are PO'd and voicing their distaste. They still have time to fix it, lets see what they do.

If the online connection is not fixed the only way I'm playing this sim is the demo.

Flyingbullseye

[Feuerfalke]

I never played IL2 on a PC without internet connection and I only flew a few hours offline anyway.


So, no loss for me on either side, compared to most other games I have, especially to IL2.


@flyingbullseye
If you apply a NoCD-Patch, you didn't pirate the game, you just violated the EULA by modifying protected code. Downloading the game is a crime, though, no matter if you own the rights to have a legal copy. (Noticed the term "have a legal copy"? - A downloaded and/or cracked version is not a legal copy in any regard). Depending on the means you download it with, you also give other people access to the file or parts of the file, which is another illegal act.



To the demo-thing:
Since ROF will be a STEAM-release, you can be 99,9% sure that the demo will be released via STEAM, too, just like most other games (most recently Empire:Total War). If you don't want STEAM, there's probably no way to even test the game.

[flyingbullseye]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

@flyingbullseye
If you apply a NoCD-Patch, you didn't pirate the game, you just violated the EULA by modifying protected code. Downloading the game is a crime, though, no matter if you own the rights to have a legal copy. (Noticed the term "have a legal copy"? - A downloaded and/or cracked version is not a legal copy in any regard). Depending on the means you download it with, you also give other people access to the file or parts of the file, which is another illegal act.

Did not know that, thanks.

Flyingbullseye

[usagold2004]

I think they have good intentions for going with the online thing and they arent really out to get you. At the end of the day, no one wants their stuff stolen, especially something that took years to make. So i dont fault them for wanting to protect their stuff.

However, I want to play my game when ever I want to. I dont want someone telling me when/where/how i can play it. for me, thats the most important factor in all of this.

steam isnt bad. if youre worried about people spying on your activities through the internet, dont worry, they already do! If you have a cell phone, "they" can triangulate your position to with in 500m or so as long as its on. Your tivo spies on you. every webpage you visit spies on you. (think about your online banking as your service provider routes all of your internet usage) As long as you use "their" products, "they" will spy on you.

i hope i havent made any of you paranoid folks more paranoid than you already are!