Dragon arrows on Skel archers VS Hunters

[jwallstone]

What do you mean by "If dragon arrows reduce defense to 0 then 1 in attack would be enough to hit the 300% cap"?

If you are thinking that the damage of thorns with the whip, dagger, and crown is already 300% their damage without those items, that's not how Attack works. Attack is simply a multiplier on a unit's damage, and is capped to 300% of base damage (whether it is 1-2 dmg or 4-6 dmg). But since those items actually increase base damage, you still get benefits from additional attack. In other words, the 300% cap isn't on what the thorns would do without any items/enhancements, but on the base damage value, which would be 4-6 dmg with all those items.

@Stepsongrapes: If each point of attack higher than defense adds 3.3%, then 30 attack-defense would add 100%. You would need an additional 90 attack in order to get to a 300% bonus, not 30 attack. Actually, I think it might be that the damage of the troop is limited to 300% of base, which means only a 200% improvement is allowed (which is different than adding 300% to base, which would result in 400% of base). This means that an attack minus enemy defense of 60 would reach the 300% cap.

[Johannes]

I understand the difference between damage value and attack and wrote very specificly attack. My point was that your Attack value vs Oponents Defense value decides what % bonus you get to your Damage value. Since the relation between any positive value (like 1) vs 0 is infinity I asumed infinity would be enough to hit the 300% cap. I'm still not sure though if the damage will be 4-6 x 3 or 1-2 x 3 +3-4 (- is range not minus here).

Anyways, a picture says more than a thousen words and three pictures makes everything very clear:

(dragon arrows don't work on thorn-hunters)


(the black dragon stack crit me for 16k and killed the entire stack before they got a chance to act in the first turn)


(normal hit on the low side with lvl3 dragon slayer on, enough to devastate all dragon stacks)

In conclusion I think they'll be fine without dragon arrows which is nice but will probably need some babysitting.

[jwallstone]

It is not the ratio that matters, it is the difference. 1 Attack versus 0 defense gets you (1-0) * 3.3% = 3.3% bonus to damage. The formula is (attack - defense) * 3.3% = % bonus. You don't divide your attack by your opponents defense.

[Stepsongrapes]

Originally Posted by jwallstone

It is not the ratio that matters, it is the difference. 1 Attack versus 0 defense gets you (1-0) * 3.3% = 3.3% bonus to damage. The formula is (attack - defense) * 3.3% = % bonus. You don't divide your attack by your opponents defense.

Jwall is correct- attack to defense is difference, not a ratio.

Dragon Arrows isn't THAT uber/busted.

FYI, whenever you use things like whip and dagger, the lower the based damage, the bigger the benefit, obviously.

So if you're going to tie-up your weapon slots with those, you definitely should go with the most weenie army you can find.