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Old 12-31-2008, 06:43 PM
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For coop, you don't have much to fear...
Most of these communities are also flying in inside their communities (one squad or a small group of squads), playing their own coops or their own online campaigns.
The online community is split between many communities, each with their own mod packs (and since mods in different packs use the same java classes with different modifications, these packs are not compatable together)

Someone like me who don't belong to any of theses communities, can't play in games hosted by members of these communities... except if accepting multiple installs of multiples modded games.
If this someone is like me and don't want to fly any mod.... then he's restricted in HL (for flying coops) to fly Airforce War (which attendance has dramatically reduced since 1 year... even if HL global attendance, mostly in dog sessions, hasn't reduced that much).
The time everybody could enter a coop proposed on HL is over.

It isn't a big issue. ROF will be available sometimes in 2009, and SoW:BoB probably end of 2009/begining 2010.... and IL2 will then be restricted to some peoples only interested in modding (like for CFS3 for example), but all non-modder players will switch to the new sims.
... and the IL2 online agony will get an end...
Well IMO the IL2 online agony is self induced.

If I was running a server DF or coop with a stock map and a stock planeset you could join it. Unmodded and all... The reason why there are conflicts with mods and unmodded flyers is because one may not have a certain map or aircraft.... There is a reason why there are so many people using these mods nowadays.. and it has nothing to do with a lack of character.... What I suggest that you and others who feel as you do like Copper & Thor.. etc... do is duplicate your 46 install, which is what I did when I first tried the mods... and Install them to the duplicate folder... and try it for yourself. Fly the planes... check out the maps... even if as I did you do it with a critical eye... looking for the smoking gun... You wont find one. It took me 9 months to try the mods because I had to see for myself how the community would handle the situation .. and another 2 months of flying a completely separate install before I was convinced that there was nothing to fear. Many of the folks who have had issues with mods have installed them wrong or they got conflicting mods...


Not only that... the lines between Coops and DF servers are being blurred. There is a new mod out that allows moveable objects in DF maps... it is still in BETA because it still has kinks.. but it is on the boards... being able to respawn in a coop will basically allow long coops with multiple scenarios limited to the time and creativity of the mission builders... One could conceivably survive a weekend campaign as long as you could make it back to base and land & refuel (respawn) and live to fight ther next mission... I think that COOPs & DFs are both prone to cheaters... but this community is not full of them at this point, and how we all collectively deal with the issue will largely determine how this whole thing pans out because it is an ongoing process and it could still go either way. I will place my faith in the men and women I know, rather than the cheaters I don't know... and continue to promote simming and this sim in particular at every opportunity...... others can do as they please.


To think that all this started because I asked a simple legitimate question...

BTW Urufu.. jujst for clarification.. my head in the sand comment was not towards you but towards those who are still talking about "all the FM, WEP & DM mods" that ae out there.

Some folks may think that some of these mods are lame.. I happen to think that most of them just make an already great sim better. In a way I think that perhaps it is better that the sim got hacked rather than Oleg opening it up. Had he opened it up officially he would have had to offer support for that too... and the tools probably would have been a lot easier to manage. As it is now between the folks who use the mods and the folks who make them there is a great disparity since everyone doesnt have the skill or time to make them and the guys that do make them seem to want to remain as true to 1Cs standards as the can... Which is not to say that some of the mods don't have issues... but the ones I have chosen to use are great... and they just make me appreciate the original product even more. All of us are grownup (Most of us anyway) .. even if we all are subject to occasional lapses into prepubescence, This sim will live on for some time, and frankly i think it would have lived on longer regardless.... but thanks to these mods I think it will live on even longer, and from the looks of things SoW will be so good that those who can or need to will move on, but just as this sim got it's new flyers in trickles and gushes over the years largely due to the harware requierements that even now some folks are just able to come up to... SoW will be the same. I will continue to fly and enjoy this sim for along time DCS & SoW or not.

Last edited by Bearcat; 12-31-2008 at 06:50 PM.
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