Dryads = Imbalanced

[jake21]

In my warrior game on hard (not sure if hard vs impossible is huge here) I found Murock very very easy and I did not use dyrad (or any elves other than unicorns) nor did I understand how time back worked.

Basically, what I've found is that different areas of the game are easy for different classes. What I'm trying to say is that your technique work well in Murock but almost any technique i tried with warrior worked well in Murock

Both games with mage on hard had much more dififuclty in Murock...

Originally Posted by Zhuangzi

Yes, they are still of some use, but the Lullaby is the best strength of all.

To illustrate just how good Dryads can be, I am up to level 29 and Murock in my Impossible Warrior game, and I am finding that Dryads just own everything. This is because most Orc units are low level and able to be put to sleep (except Veteran Orcs, I think). My team is as follows (24,000 leadership):

1200 Dryads
200 Hunters
12 Red Dragons
9 Black Dragons
150 Knights

with 15 Emerald Dragons and 150 Horsemen in reserve.

A standard fight, rated Very Strong, went as follows. This was against Orcs, Goblins, Furious Goblins and Hyenas.

Turn 1:

Red Dragons wait, Black Dragons wait, Hunters hit something, Dryads use Lullaby. Red Dragons use special ability, cast Haste, Black Dragons move closer, Knights move closer.

Turn 2:

Cast Phantom on Dryads. Pick off one stack to destroy using the various units. Cast Thorns with the Dryads, near to the sleeping enemies. Cast Thorns with the Phantom Dryads. One stack is killed and rage is now over 50.

Turn 3:

Use Soul Drain (40%) on strongest remaining enemy. This can be cast every turn now. Hit the strongest remaining stack with everything, making sure that the summoned thorns absorb any hits from the enemy stack. Cast Lullaby with the Phantomed Dryads, putting everything back to sleep. Cast Phantom again on the original Dryads.

Turn 4:

Soul Drain again. By now there are several thorns wandering everywhere. They can spawn more Thorns from dead enemies.

Turn 5:

Victory, losing only 2 Knights. It would have been zero but I was a bit lazy. This is not using Resurrection at all; I only suffered one actual hit from 2300 Hyenas, 1400 Orcs, 2000 Furious Goblins and 2200 Gobins.

Yeah, Dryads are overpowered.

[kadrzys]

Fine, go into Demonis with only Dryads. Good luck.

yeah and I went into Land of the Dead with only Inquisitors :] I wrote I'll replace Shamans with Driads and try something like Zhuangzi posted with Driads in my army. I never wrote I'll make army of Driads

[phoenixreborn]

My post wasn't really specifically directed at you.

Is sacrifice overpowered? Is ressurection overpowered? Are Black Dragons overpowered?

Do we care in a single player game?

There are lots of ways to crush the game. Why make a big fuss out of Dryads? Do you guys really want them nerfed?

Not everyone gets Anga's ruby, or uses it.

[Gatts]

Originally Posted by phoenixreborn

My post wasn't really specifically directed at you.

Is sacrifice overpowered? Is ressurection overpowered? Are Black Dragons overpowered?

Do we care in a single player game?

There are lots of ways to crush the game. Why make a big fuss out of Dryads? Do you guys really want them nerfed?

Not everyone gets Anga's ruby, or uses it.

Good point.

Actually we still may (or DEVS should) care if something is really overpowered, as it would take a lot of fun from the game... but no such spell/creature is in KB at all... would it be, it would look like this in the "how to ..." thread (and there would be only one, with replies like "it works")

first day travel to island xy - don't fight with anyone as the neutrals are too strong there, buy the unit Super-Griffon, you would need only 10 or 20 of them... their leadership is 10, they have resistance of 80% in all damage areas, have 1000 HP and deal 1200~1500 combined damage, can fly, steal life, have unlimited retaliations, are immune to armageddon and have regeneration - now on you don't need to think at all - you will win any battle just by clicking autocombat.

Dryads would not be as effective, if you players would not make it that effective (for instance, why you can win w/o loses when fighting your own hero who has twice as many units? - because you are the overpowered, not the dryads)

Counter question: Could dryads make sure you will win the last battle (only dragons and caster casting armageddon) w/o any loses? If you can answer yes- I will also re-vote that dryads are overpowered, as this is the ultimate battle (the second one is fighting baal)

[vicheron]

The game isn't really meant to be balanced. Some units are just better than others. Orc Shamans and Necromancers are just better than Archmages even though they all cost the same leadership. Cerberi are way better than Dwarves even though they only cost 10 more leadership. Dryads are better than Miners and Hyenas. That's just the way it is.

[Smash]

But this way you will always pick up same units as they are the best until you want hadicap yourself :/.

[ywhtptgt]

Originally Posted by phoenixreborn

My post wasn't really specifically directed at you.

Is sacrifice overpowered? Is ressurection overpowered? Are Black Dragons overpowered?

Do we care in a single player game?

There are lots of ways to crush the game. Why make a big fuss out of Dryads? Do you guys really want them nerfed?

Not everyone gets Anga's ruby, or uses it.

What a bombastic post...

The OP mentioned how overly powerful Dryads are in the game and that's all there is to it - Nobody whined about anything (except for you).

Suffice to say, Dryads are arguably more dangerous than all other level 3 units for the said reasons. Try fighting Sonya on Impossible.

[Boar]

Originally Posted by jake21

In my warrior game on hard (not sure if hard vs impossible is huge here) I found Murock very very easy and I did not use dyrad (or any elves other than unicorns) nor did I understand how time back worked.

Basically, what I've found is that different areas of the game are easy for different classes. What I'm trying to say is that your technique work well in Murock but almost any technique i tried with warrior worked well in Murock

Both games with mage on hard had much more dififuclty in Murock...

I am no gaming genius, but playing on normal I find difficult enough, and I think that's what makes this game great -- different parts can be easier for one class or another, the different classes have real differences, and if you can find a way to "beat" the game using one class or item, meh, play something else. I've found plenty of these games impossible to play -- or let's say not worth playing -- because of the endless need to refight the same enemies on the same maps in order to build up enough level for that boss monster, or basically the game "runs on a rail" -- there's no real choice involved, you just follow the train to the end of the line. Great game, IMHO, because it's fun and filled with humor. I'm getting a lot out of these tips, because I suck so badly as a gamer Most fun I've had since the original Dungeon Siege (which had LOTS of hidden secrets -- something this game could use more of, but it presents secrets in a fun way).

[YENKO]

Yeah. It's a single-player game. One unit is way strongher than the rest? Great. You like them? Use them. You don't like them? Well, ignore them.Big deal. Still nobody tried to beat the game using peasants only. So no, the game is not broken. Don't fix it

[sleepy]

Originally Posted by YENKO

Yeah. It's a single-player game. One unit is way strongher than the rest? Great. You like them? Use them. You don't like them? Well, ignore them.Big deal. Still nobody tried to beat the game using peasants only. So no, the game is not broken. Don't fix it

That arguement didn't work in the past, and it is not going to work now. Just because this is a single player game, does it make it okay to have a unit that cost 1 Leadership, but with a single click of a button does 9999 damage to another stack? What? Thats absurd? Why can't you "just ignore it"? Game balance is important in a multiplayer game, but it is ALSO important in single player experiences too. And oh, exactly how do single players "just ignore" Dryads that are attacking them? Is there a "Ignore Dryad" choice in the game options? No, I didn't think so. Heck, by your arguement, since this is a single player game, is it perfectly okay to just have an "I Win" click power in Dryads? I mean, geez whiz if you don't like it just ignore it and don't use it right?

Yeah, that arguement is THAT dumb.