Impossible Warrior challenge

[Kings Bounty Hunter]

Originally Posted by jake21

I'm a bit confused - how are people getting to demonis at level 5 ? I thought that in order to get there you had to (a) kill the turtle and (b) obtain the dwarven map. It would seem to me that killing the turtle as warrior pre-level 5 is quite a feat (with or without losses). Also, to obtaint he map you need either 50K; kill redbeard or kill john. This also seems quite a feat at pre-level 5. Am I missing something obvious ?

Probably cause some people bragging on here are talking absolute bollocks mate!

There are some very lofty claims indeed. People who have never played the game before, or very little, completing it on impossible at the first attempt.... with or without no losses ha ha

The internet is full of insecure attention seekers

[Zhuangzi]

Originally Posted by Kings Bounty Hunter

Probably cause some people bragging on here are talking absolute bollocks mate!

There are some very lofty claims indeed. People who have never played the game before, or very little, completing it on impossible at the first attempt.... with or without no losses ha ha

The internet is full of insecure attention seekers

I don't think that was aimed at me, probably the likes of Calinda, sector24 and MajorS, but I am getting tired of your inferiority complex. I don't think any of them have cheated or made stuff up (why would you bother?). They have just learned how to master the game.

[Calinda]

As a matter of fact I managed to kill the turtle at day 2, about 6:40-something in the morning; army used 42 bowmen; 8 archmages; 2 thorn hunters; Hero was lvl 4, and I only used spells haste and battle cry; both mages and thorns were split into 2 groups, for telekinesis x2 and thorn spawn cycling. So at 7:10 on day 2, I am baron with 2600 leadership - nice start to try to beat my previous highscore

[sector24]

Originally Posted by Zhuangzi

I don't think that was aimed at me, probably the likes of Calinda, sector24 and MajorS, but I am getting tired of your inferiority complex. I don't think any of them have cheated or made stuff up (why would you bother?). They have just learned how to master the game.

Just from my personal point of view, the score exists for people to compete for the best scores. It's definitely not the kind of thing that everyone wants to shoot for, and I can totally understand why people would think that min/maxers are silly. I just chose a personal challenge that I thought would make the game more fun, and I can tell you that it was significantly more entertaining for me. None of the fights were boring and some of the fights were epic where if I was just playing and didn't care about losing a few guys they'd have been routine. I think some of the zones have a few too many fights that can kind of erode your desire to play, and this was one of the ways to keep things interesting for me.

[Zhuangzi]

Originally Posted by sector24

Just from my personal point of view, the score exists for people to compete for the best scores. It's definitely not the kind of thing that everyone wants to shoot for, and I can totally understand why people would think that min/maxers are silly. I just chose a personal challenge that I thought would make the game more fun, and I can tell you that it was significantly more entertaining for me. None of the fights were boring and some of the fights were epic where if I was just playing and didn't care about losing a few guys they'd have been routine. I think some of the zones have a few too many fights that can kind of erode your desire to play, and this was one of the ways to keep things interesting for me.

Um, yeah. I've almost played this through four times now, which is just nuts given that it takes 60 hours to play the game, and certain areas really seem to grind more than others. On the other hand, I didn't want to try the no losses challenge myself because I know you were doing it (and the russian guy shd has done it before) and also because I knew it would take a lot longer to play.

I love this game more than any game in maybe the last five years, but there are too many fights and the level progression does slow down a bit much. It's a bit stupid how the main quest fights don't scale up in difficulty, meaning that you can defeat General Karador for example but not the dragon that prowls around outside.

Some areas seem to grind more than others as well. I've decided now that Freedom Isles and Kordar are the worst grindfest. Darion, on the other hand, is still extremely fun, and I like Ellinia and the Land of the Dead too.

I'm up to level 23 in my game now. Money is a bit of an issue (only 500,000) but other than that, the game is breezing by. I've already unlocked Haas' Labyrinth but I need to grind through the rest of Ellinia, Land of the Dead and Demonis to increase my level.

[MajorS]

Day 10 7:00am just back from defeating Karador and omw to Demonis.

ETA for finish Day 12-13

So far Warrior doesnt play much different than mage (bit harder in the beginning, bit easier now). Im still using Thorns in a stack of 2500 with 4-6 damage (crown + 2x +1 damage weapons) dealing more damage at long range than Elves.

Originally Posted by Zhuangzi

I don't think that was aimed at me, probably the likes of Calinda, sector24 and MajorS, but I am getting tired of your inferiority complex. I don't think any of them have cheated or made stuff up (why would you bother?). They have just learned how to master the game.

Agree. Its not like such a game has never been there before. Everyone that played HoMM, AoW or the Original Kings Bounty already knows basics and some obviously some of the tactics like Angas + Fairies is already common knowledge.

[Calinda]

Dunno, in my new game I'm lvl. 10 at 7:00AM on day 3 at freedom isles, with 95% from the starting areas done, all things from there bought, and still have 114k gold . Its too bad that I'm still missing some important spells, but hopefully I'll find them soon.

[Zhuangzi]

Okay, so I finished for the fourth time. I posted some stats in the high score thread.

My thinking on the idea that Warrior is harder than Paladin, which is in turn harder than Mage, is as follows:

The difficulty settings disadvantage the Warrior because of the penalty for spirits of rage.

Money is also more of a problem earlier in the game for the Warrior due to increased losses.

Mages start with Fireball 1 (very useful in Darion) and Paladins with Resurrection 1 (very useful all game). The Warrior gets nothing.

Mages get Sprites/Lake Fairies (and I think Paladins do too?) at the beginning, which you can stash until you get Sacrifice and Anga's Ruby. This is potentially very useful.

Higher Magic is the best unique skill. It is absurdly powerful. The Paladin's Runic Stone is very useful in maxing out a lot of the upgrade tree. And the Warrior gets Iron Fist, which is WAY worse.

All of this makes the Warrior harder IMO, especially earlier in the game. By about half way through though, there isn't much difference. I was able to max Chaos, Order and Distortion by the end of the game, and the Warrior does have higher leadership and some very nice upgrades (Tactics, Onslaught). So if you can get through to Ellinia, things will get much easier.

It took me 30 days this time, which surprisingly was my quickest time. It would have been about 28 if I hadn't wasted time flying when I could have gone through the mines, and I think it would have been 24 or below had I not flown around as much.