Rise of Fligh late 2008 or early 2009

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

I am waiting for the detailed fish in the streams with independent swim models.

Hey that will detract from the development of the differential bug splatter algorithym that will be putting midgies above lakes and grasshoppers above the grass!

[IceFire]

Hrmm...I may give this one a pass until all of the planes are released and they have a all in one package. I'm really starting to not like the nickle and diming that goes on....I really want to support these guys but between this and the downloadable car packs for Forza 2, downloadable stuff for Halo 3, etc....its all nice but they are small little packs and the price feels high for what I'm getting. I can only afford so much...

Maybe I will change my mind. It really does look good!

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Hrmm...I may give this one a pass until all of the planes are released and they have a all in one package. I'm really starting to not like the nickle and diming that goes on....I really want to support these guys but between this and the downloadable car packs for Forza 2, downloadable stuff for Halo 3, etc....its all nice but they are small little packs and the price feels high for what I'm getting. I can only afford so much...

Maybe I will change my mind. It really does look good!

In a way I agree, but unfortunately they are a small concern and they do not have the cash to fund an entire project.
It looks as if they have opted for the online route so my guess is they are likely to create something similar to ADW. The stand alone game will be cheap and the online following will drive the price of the planes on release.
It's still better than paying a monthly subscription aka Warbirds, Dawn of Aces and Microsofts Aces High.
I guess they have researched the market and felt confident in their product.
Lets face it a good console game is selling for much more now than PC games.
Remember IL2 1946 is made up of a whole host of paid for addons. The orginal Il2 did not even have a flyable Stuka. It came in the first patch. They then release Forgotten Battles followed by Pacific War. I know they had a paid for expansion for the Pe2 so Rise of Flights plan to sell extra planes later is not exactly new, some now are lucky they found Il2 1946, the end-of-the-line Il2 sim, I have coasters of Pacific war, the orginal IL2, Forgotten Battles. The complete Il2 edition I bought it weeks before IL2 1946 came out, could have shot myself

[EAF92_Brigstock]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Hrmm...I may give this one a pass until all of the planes are released and they have a all in one package. I'm really starting to not like the nickle and diming that goes on....I really want to support these guys but between this and the downloadable car packs for Forza 2, downloadable stuff for Halo 3, etc....its all nice but they are small little packs and the price feels high for what I'm getting. I can only afford so much...

Maybe I will change my mind. It really does look good!

The extra content will be free to download for the ai to use. It will only cost you extra if you want to make it flyable. There are around a 100 planes in IL2, yet I only use around 20 of those. As the extra content arrives for ROF, you have a choice whether you need to have it as a flyable. I have also read that the flyable option will be priced around €4-5. In the uk that's half the cost of a packet of cigarettes!

[vanderstok]

I don't mind the concept of paid add-ons (for flyables). It also means the core game can be released earlier and the ongoing development of new content assures the game will be supported for a long time (bug fixes, upgrades etc.).
I think BoB:SoW will use a similar concept but Oleg chose to give us more aircraft to fly with in the initial release, probably one of the reasons it takes a little more time to release.

I hope the concept wil work. I remember a similar appraoch was to be used for a racing game called "Racing Legends" by the West brothers some years ago. They were going to release racing cars as seperate addons to the core game; but each release would (could) be published as a seperate DVD with (paper) manual, original photos etc. They even planned for "collector item" or deluxe versions in leather casing etc It was a great idea, but unfortenately they never delivered.

Update: I found that the link is still active! http://www.racing-legends.com/expansion_packs.htm

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by EAF92_Brigstock

The extra content will be free to download for the ai to use. It will only cost you extra if you want to make it flyable. There are around a 100 planes in IL2, yet I only use around 20 of those. As the extra content arrives for ROF, you have a choice whether you need to have it as a flyable. I have also read that the flyable option will be priced around €4-5. In the uk that's half the cost of a packet of cigarettes!

I do think its smart they went this direction on having the game be MP compatible. At least everyone will be flying the same version and will be able to interact with each other.

I don't know allot about the WWI planes but are they keeping the good ones for the paid downloads?

Also I, perhaps quite unlike yourself, fly just about everything that is flyable in IL-2. Mission to mission I swap all around never content to fly just one plane. If I have a limited set to draw from...and I have to pay the $8 CAD...that will infuriate me. I understand what the developers are after and what they need to do...but I have to think about me as well. Pocketbook and all

[Widowmaker214]

With flight sims having such a smaller target audience than most PC games, Im still amazed at the quality we often get. But with piracy and a limited draw, there is a big reason why we dont have a lot of good flight sims. There is not that much money in it.
Oleg was able to make more by releasing larger packs here and there to keep the cash rolling in.

WIth Rise of Flight, they don't have the aircraft pool or theaters around to generate that kind of addon. THe only thing I could really see as an addon would be the "early years" and perhaps some zeppelin stuff.

So in order to make the project worth while money wise, they have to charge for some extra planes.

I really dont care about that and have NO problem paying a little more for a quality flight sim.
You could say.. well why dont they charge us more for the whole thing then.
that might price out many wood-be buyers. SO the initial game is priced relatively normal, then you just pay for the extra aircraft you want.
Dont want the sopwith pup, dont buy it. Its not like they have 200 aircraft they could add.
Its a good idea.
and I would rather pay a little more for quality sim stuff, than lose developers to the consoles. Already many are making the switch and leaving the PC behind because of rampant pirating.

I have a $3500 computer. (well thats what it cost 5 yrs ago to build.. getting ready to build a new $4000 I7 machine here at the end of the year)
$40 bucks on some extra planes is chump change

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Widowmaker214

Its not like they have 200 aircraft they could add.

It isn't? do you know for sure exactly how many types flew in WW1? I certainly don't, but including prototypes and planes that were only produced in small numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if the number is over 100, and I would be very surprised if it's short of 50 types, counting bombers, reconnaissance planes etc.

[ElAurens]

Ansaldo and Macchi M series fighters please.

[Asheshouse]

Originally Posted by Widowmaker214

WIth Rise of Flight, they don't have the aircraft pool or theaters around to generate that kind of addon. THe only thing I could really see as an addon would be the "early years" and perhaps some zeppelin stuff.

WWI always seems to focus on the Western Front but what about other theatres.

Northern Italy/Dolomites?
Eastern Front
Dardanelles
Middle East

I have to admit not knowing much about WWI air ops in these areas, but I guess there was some.