Team Fusion FIX YOUR MOD!!

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by planespotter

They will do what pleases them, (and Mr Arthur, apparently), and it is bad luck for single players. I am just sad of this, don't misunderstand. But also sad for them, so many single players have turn away from team fusion mod because it works not for them.

and that is the best thing to do if something really doesn't work for you, instead of constantly complaining, just walk away safe in the knowledge it cost you nothing.

[planespotter]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

and that is the best thing to do if something really doesn't work for you, instead of constantly complaining, just walk away safe in the knowledge it cost you nothing.

You think it is just me. Read other forum. On ATAG on forum people are tired of the not fixed mod.

Here one quote:

"Very happy to see work continues. 401 Squadron is anxiously awaiting the release of this patch for one reason, really. AI corrections.

Is it possible at some point, in the next update post anyway, to please get as detailed an update as possible on how the work on the AI is going?

We like to run fairly detailed co-operative campaigns using AI. Our system has been made very unenjoyable as the AI plummet into the ground/water at the first sign of combat. We've been able to work around the wobbly bombers crashing into each other by limiting use of the He111. We're delaying the start of our next campaign for the release of 4.01 and its AI fixes.

So that's my request for the next update: let us know how the AI fixing is going and how effective the fixes are projected to be. The other stuff involved in the 4.01 patch is gravy to us."

And here another:

"Back on topic:

Originally Posted by Gix

OK but upload the 4.01 first

"

There are others. Many.

It is only fair to ask for a fix, as now this has been broken for months while this team plays with other silly things not the important things they have broken. It shows a strange ethic. 'We make, we break, we make some more'.

No, I am not 'constant complaining.'

I am asking for to fix what is broken. On behalf of the many who wish the same. And I will continue to ask. Politely. Nice.

ATAG. Please forget the new stuff, just fix the broken mod first.

[bongodriver]

But you 'are' complaining, you are complaining that a group of unpaid enthusiasts who have not made any promises to anyone but have decided to take on an abandoned piece of software in their own time taking them away from their own lives but still share the work they do freely with ingrates such as yourself.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by planespotter

You think it is just me. Read other forum. On ATAG on forum people are tired of the not fixed mod.

Here one quote:

"Very happy to see work continues. 401 Squadron is anxiously awaiting the release of this patch for one reason, really. AI corrections.

Is it possible at some point, in the next update post anyway, to please get as detailed an update as possible on how the work on the AI is going?

We like to run fairly detailed co-operative campaigns using AI. Our system has been made very unenjoyable as the AI plummet into the ground/water at the first sign of combat. We've been able to work around the wobbly bombers crashing into each other by limiting use of the He111. We're delaying the start of our next campaign for the release of 4.01 and its AI fixes.

So that's my request for the next update: let us know how the AI fixing is going and how effective the fixes are projected to be. The other stuff involved in the 4.01 patch is gravy to us."

And here another:

"Back on topic:
"

There are others. Many.

It is only fair to ask for a fix, as now this has been broken for months while this team plays with other silly things not the important things they have broken. It shows a strange ethic. 'We make, we break, we make some more'.

No, I am not 'constant complaining.'

I am asking for to fix what is broken. On behalf of the many who wish the same. And I will continue to ask. Politely. Nice.

ATAG. Please forget the new stuff, just fix the broken mod first.

planespotter,

No offense, but it's as if you think any of this stuff is easy to do and the only thing that's going on is creating new content to go into the game. There's probably 4 or 5 builds (beta tests) that go on internally before a release candidate is even a thought. Think about how long it takes to simply compile 1-4 gigabytes of data (with no screw-ups) then have a team try to find out what's wrong with any of it, and if anything is wrong, try to find out what the issue is within all those gigabytes of data, recompile and do the same thing.

Maybe that's not sinking in so lets try another route. Imagine that the person who is working on the AI and Flight models comes home then works on tweaking, testing, tweaking, testing, tweaking testing, for 6 hours every single day. Then on the weekends it might be 12 hours a day. It's as if you think any of this stuff is putting a 0 where a 1 is or vice versa and it's fixed. So yes, while the AI person is working on the AI, the other people within the group just don't stop working. The content continually grows and grows.

So before you complain, just imagine you work 40 hours on the side doing some of the hardest, hair pulling, frustrating work you can imagine. And to top this off, they do it week after week, for not a single penny. Could you do something like that? Do you honestly think they deserve one iota of a complaint? If you want the AI working fine, go back to 3.01 and play. Come back to 4.01 when it's finished. But don't ever think that "just fix the thing" is even remotely something easy. I'm sure some of these guys would rather poke their eyes out with knives than to fly one more altitude, speed, climb, overheat (insert test here) for hours on end every single day over and over and over again in the hopes of perfection, than doing what they do.

The large majority of these guys haven't even played the sim (enjoyed it) in over 6 months for crying out loud. So please, have some patience. They want to get a patch out just as fast as you do.

Really try to think on those hours put in. Just think about that for one second before you write out one more complaint.

[planespotter]

You feel me to be an idiot, not to understand all this.

I have not a complaint made, just a polite request. Instead of all this work you do on everything else, just do one work. Fix what is broken.

And again I say, look at your own ATAGs forum, it is not just me asking this. So don't put all your anger on me.

I do not ask anyone to work weekends, nights, and screw up their lives. Yet we read of new ground handling, new dynamic campaign and what else. And we are told fix is delayed so ground handling and dynamic campaign (and what else I don't know) can be included in one big update patch.

Everything of this, like dynamic campaign and ground handling, adds to the complex of getting the fix done, instead of just doing the AI.

If you create all this work, of course your people are get burned up.

I am sorry to hear they are suffering. Perhaps better leader-ship is needed.

Thankyou though for your response Mr Bliss. Now everyone else please don't flame, I am flame proff anyway, just persistent in my ask.

[bongodriver]

'Team fusion FIX YOUR MOD' is not a polite request.

it's clear now just how much of a troll you are.

[JHAT]

Planespotter, the way you are putting your "polite and humble request" is coming as "fix your screw ups, idiots, and do it fast". Maybe it's a language barrier, but your keeping on replying it repeating the same thing on and on isn't working...

I'll tell you what, why don't you just pretend TF didn't exist? I take you would be better off.

I'll put it in one line so you understand it:

They are working on it. And it isn't fast to solve it.

[Continu0]

Originally Posted by planespotter

You feel me to be an idiot, not to understand all this.

I have not a complaint made, just a polite request. Instead of all this work you do on everything else, just do one work. Fix what is broken.

And again I say, look at your own ATAGs forum, it is not just me asking this. So don't put all your anger on me.

I do not ask anyone to work weekends, nights, and screw up their lives. Yet we read of new ground handling, new dynamic campaign and what else. And we are told fix is delayed so ground handling and dynamic campaign (and what else I don't know) can be included in one big update patch.

Everything of this, like dynamic campaign and ground handling, adds to the complex of getting the fix done, instead of just doing the AI.

If you create all this work, of course your people are get burned up.

I am sorry to hear they are suffering. Perhaps better leader-ship is needed.

Thankyou though for your response Mr Bliss. Now everyone else please don't flame, I am flame proff anyway, just persistent in my ask.

First of all: As fronts are getting harder, I would no longer speak of a "friendly request" or whatever. Even if it was one, it came the wrong way.

Then, you are maybe not understanding something very important about software development (in fact, I also had to learn that here on this forum).

In a software-development-team, different people are working on different things. In our case there are people on working on AI, others on Graphics, others on FMs and so on.

The logical consequence is that TF can not put "all their effort" into ONE thing, because not everyone can work on the AI. Maybe there is only one person working on the AI and understanding what is going on with the AI. So this one person can fix it, nobody else.

This fact makes it pointless to complain in a way like "they work on other things but not on AI". I guess they are working very hard on AI but that one person working on the AI could just not find the fix yet. But during that time, why should the other persons stop doing their (FM, DM, Graphics-) work?

So, no point in complaining about adding other things, as it is just impossible for TF to concentrate their effort. And as long as those other things can only be used with a broken AI, it is up to you to use those other things or returning to 3.01.

I houp I could explain what I wanted. English is not my naitive language and it`s late, so sorry if things might be unclear.

good night.

[SlipBall]

These types of critique threads are nothing new to the game. Luthier suffered through months and months of them. Fair? I don't know, but ironic for sure

[planespotter]

Thanks for help.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

'Team fusion FIX YOUR MOD' is not a polite request.

it's clear now just how much of a troll you are.

If you read all thread, you see I was told this makes like SHOUTING and I tried to change topic heading to not shouting. This is not possible in this forum to edit a topic heading. So.

And if you look at my post history you see I am no troll. On this discussion I stick it to this thread only, not take it everywhere like a troll.

I maybe not agree with you, but that does not make a troll. And if I am a troll, then everyone who has this opinion on other forum, you also think is a troll.

Please stay on topic of discussion or leave discussion, not personal name calling. I am happy to accept that many people are happy with the patch 4.0 and you should be able to accept that some of us are not, and that we are entitle to discuss this, also as days become weeks, and week becomes months, we can mention it again.