New Graphics Card - GTX 660 non Ti or 7850/7870

[Stublerone]

That is new 660ti ac3 in comparison to a slightly overclocked 7950. So the already is void. Find other reviews comparing fully overclocked, air cooled models or afd another 20% at least at this test for the ati.

Fly on high res more than 1080p and the card hicks up because of the lack of ram and a interface, which is already 6years old or so...

See the comments. 240 comments seems to be a discussion and this review and tech report already had claims about their professionality way before this review. Not a good side to decide, what to buy.... That is well known in the community.

[Stoli151]

Originally Posted by Stublerone

That is new 660ti ac3 in comparison to a slightly overclocked 7950. So the already is void. Find other reviews comparing fully overclocked, air cooled models or afd another 20% at least at this test for the ati.

Fly on high res more than 1080p and the card hicks up because of the lack of ram and a interface, which is already 6years old or so...

See the comments. 240 comments seems to be a discussion and this review and tech report already had claims about their professionality way before this review. Not a good side to decide, what to buy.... That is well known in the community.

Well I could care less what card he ultimately buys. I just wanted to give him some real performance numbers on this particular game he could use. Which I just got the day I made that post with the latest driver installed. I would hope if I were to ask the same question the radeon owners would post their results as well. I only posted a review I thought would help. This particular line in the review did get my attention "Looking over the listings at Newegg, 7950 cards are going for as little as $299.99. However, only a few other cards can match the Vapor-X's 950MHz boost clock(which sells for $329.99), and they all cost more than the Sapphire" the 660ti was overclocked also at a price of $299.99(this was at the date of review). The comments are useless because no matter what card "wins" there will be tons of "fan boys" of the "losing" card telling you how the review was flawed. Which is probably a reason for me not to post links to reviews in the future, thanks. I have no allegiance to nvidia as it's nothing but a corporation trying to make money from me and if I thought I would get a better deal from radeon I would change over no problems as I have no previous experience with those cards, therefore no negative experiences. However if he were to buy the 660ti not the 660(as stated in the OP), I have a feeling he will be more than satisfied with its performance as my experience thus far has been positive. Although looking at his processor it may be a bottleneck for any new card with this game.

[Stublerone]

I just stated, that a 660ti loses and that the review is incorrect. Although they have brought ac3 version of the 660ti to the market nearly 1 year after lauch of the 7950, it is still no discussion, which card wins. Also the 670 loses, if the test is set up fair. We have this discussion also with magazines here in germany. They have also rated pro nvidia as they are sponsors of the magazines. But in forums, where people are skilled with gfx cards, even the nvidia buyers say, that the 6xxx series undoubtly lost against ati this time. Not much of a problem as both cards are playable, although you buy half of a card at nvidia. So they should be half the price of ati cards.

The only thing is: I see it everywhere -> every nvidia user is directly recommending his card, although they simply do not know, what they are talking about. The facebook mentality forces every poor child to leave comments, which are influencing other people to their opinion and not to facts.

Ati users seem to be a bit different: I do not see that much kids spamming around their senseless comments. Simply, because they all want a nvidia for christmas, not depending on performance, just to have the most expensive nvidia card. And then they do an unboxing video or praise their great rig with a lets play xxxx on Ultra with a 680 oc. Sorry, but the supporters of nvidia are becoming more and more childish to me. I just rely on what information I get from sources, who are really interested in equal chances for both. And I only hear on people, where I can directly see some skill in what he says. I am not an apple buyer!

[vranac]

Originally Posted by Stublerone

I just stated, that a 660ti loses and that the review is incorrect. Although they have brought ac3 version of the 660ti to the market nearly 1 year after lauch of the 7950, it is still no discussion, which card wins. Also the 670 loses, if the test is set up fair. We have this discussion also with magazines here in germany. They have also rated pro nvidia as they are sponsors of the magazines. But in forums, where people are skilled with gfx cards, even the nvidia buyers say, that the 6xxx series undoubtly lost against ati this time. Not much of a problem as both cards are playable, although you buy half of a card at nvidia. So they should be half the price of ati cards.

Yes 660Ti will loose with few percent, but that review pointed out that AMD have problems with drivers and AMD admitted that.Even if fps is bit higher in general it fluctuate a lot more which causees stutters even if fps is good.
And AMD 7000 are much longer on the market.

http://techreport.com/review/24022/d...e-in-windows-8

[Stublerone]

But the oc versions of the 7950 are currently just underperforming. Set the same clocks on the 7950 and you can add another 20-30% on both ends and it destroys the 660, 660ti and the 670 and equals nearly a stock 7970 or a 680.

You do not see the obvious. Nvidia is currently fighting with its higher clocks. And if you push the ati to the limits as nvidia does it with their card, you cab see, that the whole 79xx series beats their nvidia counterparts. And that not only with a slightly difference, but with ahuge difference.

And as the materials of ati cards are currently higher standard and as the card begins very early before frying it to produce glitches as warning. You can directly push it to 1000mhz with sufficient cooling, even with air cooling. If the materials would allow to run on higher temperatures with no look on lifetime, the gap with standard oc possibilities will be even bigger for ati cards.

[Stoli151]

Originally Posted by Stublerone

But the oc versions of the 7950 are currently just underperforming. Set the same clocks on the 7950 and you can add another 20-30% on both ends and it destroys the 660, 660ti and the 670 and equals nearly a stock 7970 or a 680.

You do not see the obvious. Nvidia is currently fighting with its higher clocks. And if you push the ati to the limits as nvidia does it with their card, you cab see, that the whole 79xx series beats their nvidia counterparts. And that not only with a slightly difference, but with ahuge difference.

And as the materials of ati cards are currently higher standard and as the card begins very early before frying it to produce glitches as warning. You can directly push it to 1000mhz with sufficient cooling, even with air cooling. If the materials would allow to run on higher temperatures with no look on lifetime, the gap with standard oc possibilities will be even bigger for ati cards.

I don't care whether my card is made of tinfoil and swiss cheese as long as it performs when I put it in my rig. All I know is my 660ti performs and performs fluidly. Even when frames drop, the motion I see is still smooth. In other words, the only way I know frame rates drop is if I have the fps counter going. Otherwise, I couldn't even tell while playing. I have seen in most reviews that the ati cards fluctuate, as vranac has pointed out in his post. While I agree that ati cards should be better if you just looked at their physical specs. That fact remains that they get spikey performance. Or if you like conspiracy theories you could assume that nvidia has paid off all the reviewers. However I am not a believer in a theory where ati could easily do the same. Quite possibly in the near future ati will get the issue resolved. At that point, I may quite possibly own a ati because I hold no allegiance to nvidia. For right now however, I love my 660ti which performs on this game the way I like.

[Stublerone]

So, when u do not care to buy something sufficiently and u do not care about all, why do you recommend your card to others? You shouldn't care to post here, too, because you do not seem to ....care... And u do not seem to know facts. Somebody is asking you what to buy, then it is redundant what you bought. It should be someone knowing something. Sure we can argue on real life purposes and senses of one ir the other card, but u just type in, tjat your card is good and mention a weird test with unfair conditions. And with that you start recommending a 660 ti, which is not worth the money and performance sucks in comparison to the other card. I mean: We are comparing a low end ti card vs the second best card of ati, which costs the same. It is like comparing a nvidia gtx version vs ti. It makes no sense and the winner is clear, although you find other wrong reviews.

This simply makes somebody angry to hear that all the time. I call these posters facebook and youtube fagots posting their life and their bad knowledge into the world. Kids with no senses for realism and sufficient interaction skills. Just weird to see that in a sim forum with mainly a bit skilled people. I think, time is changeing and more and more guys came here to leave their nvidia post. And although I am a fan of nvidia, I cannot see that lack of knowledge, especially for this gfx card generation, any more.

I am not the ultimate gfx card expert, but I know, when to claim sth wrong. I do not want to bash, but in the gaming coms I interact, I only hear unsatisfied nvidia users and already have positive feedback from guys switching to the ati. Especially the 680 was sold by many of these gamers and they are now more happy with the ati, what the first couldn't believe. But they are mostly non casual gamer and spend some time in gaming.

Now I lost my track!..... Hm, I don't care. Have fun reading this weird post.