No clickable cockpit! Are they for real.

[ATAG_Doc]

Well if it don't have a coop why waste your time? Right? I mean come on guys. I've been saying that since day one. No coop not a product we're interested in. Right??

[startrekmike]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

Well if it don't have a coop why waste your time? Right? I mean come on guys. I've been saying that since day one. No coop not a product we're interested in. Right??

I have made Co-op missions in Rise of flight, they work fine, not sure why you are trying to get everyone to light torches and grab pitchforks over nothing.

Granted, not a lot of folks do co-op in ROF but that does not mean it can't be done.

Not sure where you are getting your info but it is wrong.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by startrekmike

I have made Co-op missions in Rise of flight, they work fine, not sure why you are trying to get everyone to light torches and grab pitchforks over nothing.

Granted, not a lot of folks do co-op in ROF but that does not mean it can't be done.

Not sure where you are getting your info but it is wrong.

You are so mistaken. You get RoF as the base and 1940s planes to air quake. CoD has more fences than all the objects in RoF. You and your RoF are a complete joke noob.

[lokitexas]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

You are so mistaken. You get RoF as the base and 1940s planes to air quake. CoD has more fences than all the objects in RoF. You and your RoF are a complete joke noob.

Exactally.

Online in RoF is pretty much Call of Duty with WWI planes. Have you seen the online activity in RoF? Ever wonder why its so damn low? Because after you have shot down a few planes, respawned, and repeated that process 10 times in 15 mins, you realize it gets old, and boring after a while.

Point is that is all 777 has focused on. They couldnt care less for an in depth COOP or, a dynamic campaign. People have been asking for more "meat" in the career/campaign part and what do they get? Streamers, pistols, a few more planes, and colored scarves. All new toys with no meat of the game.

[startrekmike]

Originally Posted by lokitexas

Exactally.

Online in RoF is pretty much Call of Duty with WWI planes. Have you seen the online activity in RoF? Ever wonder why its so damn low? Because after you have shot down a few planes, respawned, and repeated that process 10 times in 15 mins, you realize it gets old, and boring after a while.

Point is that is all 777 has focused on. They couldnt care less for an in depth COOP or, a dynamic campaign. People have been asking for more "meat" in the career/campaign part and what do they get? Streamers, pistols, a few more planes, and colored scarves. All new toys with no meat of the game.

ROF is as deep as you want it to be, while I admit that many missions are pretty stale, that is more to do with mission designers and not so much the sim itself.

I have run plenty of interesting and fun co-ops with my friends and I never felt that it was limited in any way, nor do I feel that it is "air-quake", I mean, no more than CloD is oftentimes.

The fact is that we should not be bickering about something that is not even fully explained yet, we have no idea what this new sim will be and to act like it will just be ROF with a WWII coat of paint is both naive and foolish.

Sorry, but you and your friend above are acting like children and you need to stop and really think about what you are saying as opposed to just parroting others who also don't have a clear idea of what ROF is.

There is no need for this petty bickering, ROF is just as much a sim as CloD and the only real difference is that ROF does not have clickable cockpits, that is not a issue in ROF as there would be little to be gained by having it as a feature, you see, I have faith that this new product will be something cool and I am adult enough to give them the benefit of the doubt until I know more.

The funny thing about this whole thing is that CloD is very limited, both by it's bugs (the menu system is still a mess and barely functional) and it's lack of any sort of actual single player content out of the box that is worth anything, at least ROF has a not only four available campaigns but also a career mode that spans many years.

I mean, we can bicker and fight over who plays the best sim but in the end, you are not going to find a better WWI sim than ROF and you are not going to find a better WWII sim than CloD (at least in terms of technical aspirations) but while ROF is still alive and growing, CloD might as well have been called a stillbirth that only survives because there is simply nothing better out there.

Don't give me this air-quake crap, ROF is as deep as YOU choose to make it, you can play any sim (even CloD) as air-quake so that insult means nothing.

Lastly, I agree that Clod has better looking terrain but at what cost? I mean, the engine requires a pretty hefty GPU to even run at some level of detail due to it's horrible optimization and frankly, who cares if there are more fences in Clod than there are in ROF, who cares about ground objects that serve no purpose other than window dressing that drag your CPU and GPU needs into unreasonable territory.

ROF is not better than CloD but at the same token, CLoD is not better than ROF, it is apples and oranges at this point and until we know more, perhaps we should just try to wait and see what happens together as opposed to just complaining and trying to be internet tough guys, sound good?

[Codex]

Originally Posted by startrekmike

ROF is as deep as you want it to be, while I admit that many missions are pretty stale, that is more to do with mission designers and not so much the sim itself.

I have run plenty of interesting and fun co-ops with my friends and I never felt that it was limited in any way, nor do I feel that it is "air-quake", I mean, no more than CloD is oftentimes.

The fact is that we should not be bickering about something that is not even fully explained yet, we have no idea what this new sim will be and to act like it will just be ROF with a WWII coat of paint is both naive and foolish.

Sorry, but you and your friend above are acting like children and you need to stop and really think about what you are saying as opposed to just parroting others who also don't have a clear idea of what ROF is.

There is no need for this petty bickering, ROF is just as much a sim as CloD and the only real difference is that ROF does not have clickable cockpits, that is not a issue in ROF as there would be little to be gained by having it as a feature, you see, I have faith that this new product will be something cool and I am adult enough to give them the benefit of the doubt until I know more.

The funny thing about this whole thing is that CloD is very limited, both by it's bugs (the menu system is still a mess and barely functional) and it's lack of any sort of actual single player content out of the box that is worth anything, at least ROF has a not only four available campaigns but also a career mode that spans many years.

I mean, we can bicker and fight over who plays the best sim but in the end, you are not going to find a better WWI sim than ROF and you are not going to find a better WWII sim than CloD (at least in terms of technical aspirations) but while ROF is still alive and growing, CloD might as well have been called a stillbirth that only survives because there is simply nothing better out there.

Don't give me this air-quake crap, ROF is as deep as YOU choose to make it, you can play any sim (even CloD) as air-quake so that insult means nothing.

Lastly, I agree that Clod has better looking terrain but at what cost? I mean, the engine requires a pretty hefty GPU to even run at some level of detail due to it's horrible optimization and frankly, who cares if there are more fences in Clod than there are in ROF, who cares about ground objects that serve no purpose other than window dressing that drag your CPU and GPU needs into unreasonable territory.

ROF is not better than CloD but at the same token, CLoD is not better than ROF, it is apples and oranges at this point and until we know more, perhaps we should just try to wait and see what happens together as opposed to just complaining and trying to be internet tough guys, sound good?

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[bzc3lk]

Originally Posted by startrekmike

rof is as deep as you want it to be, while i admit that many missions are pretty stale, that is more to do with mission designers and not so much the sim itself.

I have run plenty of interesting and fun co-ops with my friends and i never felt that it was limited in any way, nor do i feel that it is "air-quake", i mean, no more than clod is oftentimes.

The fact is that we should not be bickering about something that is not even fully explained yet, we have no idea what this new sim will be and to act like it will just be rof with a wwii coat of paint is both naive and foolish.

Sorry, but you and your friend above are acting like children and you need to stop and really think about what you are saying as opposed to just parroting others who also don't have a clear idea of what rof is.

There is no need for this petty bickering, rof is just as much a sim as clod and the only real difference is that rof does not have clickable cockpits, that is not a issue in rof as there would be little to be gained by having it as a feature, you see, i have faith that this new product will be something cool and i am adult enough to give them the benefit of the doubt until i know more.

The funny thing about this whole thing is that clod is very limited, both by it's bugs (the menu system is still a mess and barely functional) and it's lack of any sort of actual single player content out of the box that is worth anything, at least rof has a not only four available campaigns but also a career mode that spans many years.

I mean, we can bicker and fight over who plays the best sim but in the end, you are not going to find a better wwi sim than rof and you are not going to find a better wwii sim than clod (at least in terms of technical aspirations) but while rof is still alive and growing, clod might as well have been called a stillbirth that only survives because there is simply nothing better out there.

Don't give me this air-quake crap, rof is as deep as you choose to make it, you can play any sim (even clod) as air-quake so that insult means nothing.

Lastly, i agree that clod has better looking terrain but at what cost? I mean, the engine requires a pretty hefty gpu to even run at some level of detail due to it's horrible optimization and frankly, who cares if there are more fences in clod than there are in rof, who cares about ground objects that serve no purpose other than window dressing that drag your cpu and gpu needs into unreasonable territory.

Rof is not better than clod but at the same token, clod is not better than rof, it is apples and oranges at this point and until we know more, perhaps we should just try to wait and see what happens together as opposed to just complaining and trying to be internet tough guys, sound good?

spot on

[bzc3lk]

Originally Posted by Hooves

Opinions? These sound like our right attacks. Jason is a Cry baby? Jason is the reason Il2 can have a home.

Discussing expectations is one thing but hanging on the shriveld loins of dead game is another.

The DEVS of RoF were tasked to make a WWI game, yup they've done it pretty well, in fact everything they they put in the game works. However I cant say that for your beloved CloD, See through clouds, trees with no other purpose than to look at.

And I don't know about you but I have seen lots of infantry firing flak guns up at me in RoF. I guess you are just misinformed on that one.


Lets not forget that RoF is a WWI AIR COMBAT SIM. Not an infantry simulator, and while planes did begin to carry bombs ground attack was not a very central player. But alas, I have been tasked to go on missions in RoF that are VERY similar to those in CloD, IE: kill that convoy, bomb that rail yard, and shoot down the enemy bombers.

Btw those ? "Pretty planes" have an entire physics engine keeping them aloft. I mean you do know that the WWII birds are going to get just as much TLC right?

But I guess you know how the finished product will be because you are a super secret squirrel with access to the latest updated products from 777......... oh wait.

Your just a punk throwing around Sexual orientation innuendo, and calling a successful (note Lutheir WAS NOT ultimately successful) dev/businessman Jason a Cry baby. Sounds like you are just a sad kid that got his ball taken away. Well I guess Ill be happy not to see you on the court in the new game.

Opinions are great when they aren't masked by a dead games fan boy crusade to ruin a living games success.

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SPOT ON

[Davy TASB]

Brilliant reply by Hooves to these tiresome ROF hating menchild on this forum.

Cant believe the level of immaturity from some of these jokers. The penny hasn't yet dropped with some of these people that it is the Rise of Flight management team that will help save their sim and that the RoF community also helped by supporting the "saviours of IL2" with hard cash.
Without that support and cash there would have been no more development of RoF AND there would be no Battle Of Stalingrad in the works.

[Birdflu]

Originally Posted by startrekmike

ROF is as deep as you want it to be, while I admit that many missions are pretty stale, that is more to do with mission designers and not so much the sim itself.

I have run plenty of interesting and fun co-ops with my friends and I never felt that it was limited in any way, nor do I feel that it is "air-quake", I mean, no more than CloD is oftentimes.

The fact is that we should not be bickering about something that is not even fully explained yet, we have no idea what this new sim will be and to act like it will just be ROF with a WWII coat of paint is both naive and foolish.

Sorry, but you and your friend above are acting like children and you need to stop and really think about what you are saying as opposed to just parroting others who also don't have a clear idea of what ROF is.

There is no need for this petty bickering, ROF is just as much a sim as CloD and the only real difference is that ROF does not have clickable cockpits, that is not a issue in ROF as there would be little to be gained by having it as a feature, you see, I have faith that this new product will be something cool and I am adult enough to give them the benefit of the doubt until I know more.

The funny thing about this whole thing is that CloD is very limited, both by it's bugs (the menu system is still a mess and barely functional) and it's lack of any sort of actual single player content out of the box that is worth anything, at least ROF has a not only four available campaigns but also a career mode that spans many years.

I mean, we can bicker and fight over who plays the best sim but in the end, you are not going to find a better WWI sim than ROF and you are not going to find a better WWII sim than CloD (at least in terms of technical aspirations) but while ROF is still alive and growing, CloD might as well have been called a stillbirth that only survives because there is simply nothing better out there.

Don't give me this air-quake crap, ROF is as deep as YOU choose to make it, you can play any sim (even CloD) as air-quake so that insult means nothing.

Lastly, I agree that Clod has better looking terrain but at what cost? I mean, the engine requires a pretty hefty GPU to even run at some level of detail due to it's horrible optimization and frankly, who cares if there are more fences in Clod than there are in ROF, who cares about ground objects that serve no purpose other than window dressing that drag your CPU and GPU needs into unreasonable territory.

ROF is not better than CloD but at the same token, CLoD is not better than ROF, it is apples and oranges at this point and until we know more, perhaps we should just try to wait and see what happens together as opposed to just complaining and trying to be internet tough guys, sound good?

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