Leading Edge Slats on the Me-109

[Crumpp]

everything behind the firewall is a 109....including the slats.

Exactly!

You have an airframe designed for one engine that is now having to work with another one.

This is why STC's are required and you just cannot swap motors in certified design airplanes.

The merlin prop swung at a lower rpm, weight is different, and the thrustline was higher. At least it turned in the same direction.

You do understand airframe are built to counteract the effects of spiral slipstream and torque?

That is why engine mounts/firewalls are angled and verticle stabilizers angled.

Mounting an engine with different properties results in different handling qualities.

Why are we even discussing this and what does it have to do with effect of the slats?

Is it just your justification for using an example which has nothing to do with the original topic?

[Crumpp]

II/JG53 Rolf,

My suggestion would be just to ignore AoA, ie, TAGERT.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

II/JG53 Rolf,

My suggestion would be just to ignore AoA, ie, TAGERT.

Yes, just like the Bf109 myth site you provided as proof ignored Erwin Leykauf quote!

[raaaid]

for what ive understood slats are an all or nothing thing

but in the game the get just half way deployed sometimes

[Crumpp]

to sum it up:
1) Slats were designed to open unevenly because the aerodynamic effects were uneven on both wings, especially in high AOA.
2) Slats helped at stall speeds at low speeds, discussion is held about high speed with not much evidence for either case in this thread.
3) Slats could have malfunctions as any other part of a plane - not all planes and pilots have the best ground crew. The slat then could open partially which could cause inexperienced pilot to stall/spin.
4) Recovery from the spin of slats equipped 109 was considered easy.
5) This whole thread was started because of stall and spin characteristics of bf-109 in CLOD game

Good summary.

I would add:

2) Slats helped at stall speeds at low speeds and ensured gentle stall behaviors, discussion is held about high speed with not much evidence for either case in this thread.

4) Entry into a spin was difficult and Recovery from the spin of slats equipped 109 was considered easy.

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

II/JG53 Rolf,

My suggestion would be just to ignore AoA, ie, TAGERT.

Originally Posted by taildraggernut

I am not arguing a point about whether a universal standard was adopted, I'm arguing against your bizarre claims the British had 'no' standards and therefore the RAE reports on the 109 may as well have been performed by monkeys.....until of course you want to 'cherry pick' anything positive.

Everybody, My suggestion would be just to ignore Crumpp, ie, GENE.

Long story short, there will be no further improvements to the flight qualities of any of the aircraft in CLOD, whether it be the Bf 109, or the Spitfire unless there are people who are willing and able to modify the product to represent the flight qualities desired by the players. My guess is no matter what improvements are made there will still be those who will not be satisfied until every tiny nuance of all aircraft is replicated to the nth degree.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by NZtyphoon

Everybody, My suggestion would be just to ignore Crumpp, ie, GENE.

i did, a while back....

[Gabelschwanz Teufel]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

i did, a while back....

It only works if everybody does it or the ones that don't will stop quoting him.

[Crumpp]

are you really saying that the Spanish simply 'nailed' a merlin into the aircraft and thought 'to hell with the consequences'?

There is nothing they can do about the airframe changes without a complete redesign of the aircraft.

Why do you think they called the Avia S-199 the "Mule"?

The Ha-112 was a different airplane.

The higher thrust line, weight differences, and difference in rpm results in different dynamic pressure ranges in the spiral slipstream than the airframe was designed. It will have different flying qualities.

I guess you hate me for pointing out that fact!!

Try flying a piston engine porter and a turbine porter if you don't think engine makes a difference in flying qualities.

[Crumpp]

The slats ensure a laminar flow

Turbulent flow....not laminar!!