omg the meserchmitch i so easy to shoot with the spit i love it

[JG26_EZ]

I don't normally correct people's spelling... but

Please .....please .....learn how to spell Messerschmitt.

The way you've spelled it, makes me think of a cross between a messerschmitt and a mitchell, with cheese

[CharveL]

Keep on eating those crayons raaaaid you crazy window licker you.

[Pluto]

.... compared to the Hurri and the Spit, the BF109 in CloD turns like a lame duck. In how far that is "realistic" I dont know, bet in reality it turned much better than in the "simulation".

But I found out that they (Spit & Hurri) are not so hard to shoot down, you just have to practice deflection shooting ( I guess that`s what the german "mit Vorhalt schiessen" translates?). Even on the deck above an enemy airbase it is not impossible to shoot them down.

When you are still flying several hundred meters behind the Spit shoot a short burst at it. Doesent need to hit, just makes the pilot aware there is someone behind him. He will automatically like all the reds start turning into your direction. Just check if he starts turning left or right then bring your nose into a position in front of his turning direction and shoot.
The probability to get a serious hit is high. Once he is hit (not killed) it`s over with his superior maneuverability and you get him.

One factor that is also important, "luck" of course.

[raaaid]

the thing is that NOW most people BELIEVE real 109 turned like a duck

history is been revisioned

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by raaaid

the thing is that NOW most people BELIEVE real 109 turned like a duck

history is been revisioned

You are correct, except for the fact that, compared to a Spitfire or a Hurricane, the 109 DID turn like a duck (especially compared to a Hurricane). So, everything you have said (related to that subject) is totally wrong.

Additionally, as I have said before, there has been no instance EVER, in the history of ALL AIR COMBAT on this planet, where one aircraft out-turned another aircraft. NEVER!!!!

PILOTS have out-turned OTHER PILOTS, but not planes.

The success of the 109s against the British fighters came from the German tactics, not the aircraft. That is why the pilots hated Goering so much when he began requiring them to fly close escort on the bombers. It nullified their advantage against the British aircraft and they suffered the price for it.

--Outlaw.

[raaaid]

marseille could out turn spits

a newbee spit rider will out turn a 109 rider with 15 years experience like me for example in the game

i think turning should be all about who KEEPS THE PLANE CLOSER AT 275 KPH while at full throtle independently of the ride

graphs back up this point

the only real advanatge of the real spit is that under 270 in horizontal turning it stalls while the 109 you can undesterr

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by raaaid

marseille could out turn spits

a newbee spit rider will out turn a 109 rider with 15 years experience like me for example in the game

i think turning should be all about who KEEPS THE PLANE CLOSER AT 275 KPH while at full throtle independently of the ride

graphs back up this point

the only real advanatge of the real spit is that under 270 in horizontal turning it stalls while the 109 you can undesterr

As usual the entire post above is either completely wrong or irrelevant.

Of course Marseille could out-turn a Spitfire. A fully loaded piloted B-17 could out-turn a Spitfire. Of course that's irrelevant b/c a Spitfire sitting on the ground (or airborne but unpiloted) is ineffective as a combat asset. What Marseille NEVER did was out-turn an airborne piloted Spitfire. What he DID do was out-turn some PILOTs of Spitfires.

Any mention of the game in response to my post is irrelevant since I SPECIFICALLY quoted your post about the, "real" 109.

--Outlaw.

[*Buzzsaw*]

Originally Posted by raaaid

marseille could out turn spits

a newbee spit rider will out turn a 109 rider with 15 years experience like me for example in the game

i think turning should be all about who KEEPS THE PLANE CLOSER AT 275 KPH while at full throtle independently of the ride

graphs back up this point

the only real advanatge of the real spit is that under 270 in horizontal turning it stalls while the 109 you can undesterr

Werner Molders was the leading German pilot of the Battle of Britain era, as well as being the originator of the German tactical doctrine of "Rotte and Schwarm". In August of 1940 he was asked to be a part of an evaluation panel which examined a captured Spitfire, Hurricane and Curtis H-75 and flew them in comparison to 109E's. The report was definitive and clear.

"Before turning fights with the Bf 109 E type, it must be noted in every case, that all three foreign planes have significantly smaller turning circles and turning times.
An attack on the opponent as well as disengagement can only be accomplished on the basis of existing superiority in performance."

Now who are we supposed to believe, raaaid or someone who actually flew the planes and knows what he is talking about?

I leave it up to common sense....